MA Flyers

[peregrin]

Originally posted by Edbert MOL
3.) I prefer reduced icon range. Have you ever looked at a car at 1 mile away and tried to tell if it was blue or black or grey much less what the make and model was? How about 3 miles away? Have you ever been to the airport and tried to tell the difference between a twin engine plane and a single from more than a mile away? I'm not advocating removing icons just those at extreme ranges. You can still see dots at extreme range, you just cannot tell what model of aircraft is closing at what rate until they get closer.

I decided to do an experement.  I work on the 35th floor (450ft up)  There is a highway 3000yds from my building (measured 3.1 degrees below horizontal from office).  Using my poor eyesight (20/30) I can tell color, basic size etc of the cars on that highway, but can't determine make or model.  However, much more importantly, when the traffic helicopters come hover over the highway i can clearly distinguish the types.  I conclude that at 3000yds against the sky aircraft types can be easily distingushed.

--Peregrine.

[Karnak]

Toad,

My exact thoughts last night.

Edbert,

I suggest you actually go measure a mile.  It does not reduce automobiles nearly so much as you indicate it does, or one of us has something wrong with our eyes.




What is the point of a thread like this?  You ask why we don't like the CT so that you can feel smug and superior while you talk down to us about why our reasons are wrong?

Hello?

They are the reasons we don't like the CT.  Nothing you say can or will change that.  If you have no interest in changing things in order to address the problems people have, don't ask the question.

[Mak333]

I'd actually like to get more people into the CT.  I just tried it out a week ago with only 10 players and it was a blast.  Havent seen that much teamwork in a while.  It is also much more realistic in the aspect of plane sets, and radar.

I would encourage everyone from the MA to try out the CT atleast once per tour.  It truly is alot of fun.

You are able to get away from all the dweebs and kiddies flying la7s, spits, n1ks and any other planes that you dislike because 50% of the enemy is flying it.  Best part is that country is used only for operations and none of the political and whining bull that the MA sees constantly.  

I will still play MA because thats where the squad operates and captures bases but CT is a great area for more realism rather than a pick-up football game - MA.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Karnak
You ask why we don't like the CT so that you can feel smug and superior while you talk down to us about why our reasons are wrong? [/B]

Hopefully this was not addressed to me, if it was I assure you that I do not feel superior to anyone. I tried very hard within this limited medium to NOT offend anyone. My first post was not an answer to Curtis' question because I did not see that his question was directed at me, because I do like the CT. I merely stated some of the reasons why I do like it, not to detract from anyones reason for not liking it, simply as another point of view. Others replied to me stated that their opinions were different (primarily discussing icons) and I clearly said that my opinion put me into the minority. I never sought to denigrate someone for their POV.

I thought the overall thread was positive in nature, particularly for this BBS. Perhaps I am in the minority on that subject as well.

My biggest dislike for the CT is small turnout. Last night there were over 70 people in there and it was an absolute blast. We had a 2 hour ~6v6 going on that never got above 10K between two bases in the same sector. There was an ebb and flow but no capture attempts were made.

[Karnak]

No, that was not directed at you.

I just find it useless that this thread was started just to ask those of us who have problems with the way the CT is run what we don't like about the CT and then to bluntly tell us we're wrong.


If there was never an intent to see if there was any way to address the concerns of people who don't like the CT in order to get more people into the CT, then what is the point of asking the question?

[Grits]

Originally posted by Edbert MOL
My biggest dislike for the CT is small turnout. Last night there were over 70 people in there and it was an absolute blast. We had a 2 hour ~6v6 going on that never got above 10K between two bases in the same sector. There was an ebb and flow but no capture attempts were made.

Actually,  that is the usually the case, but as luck would have it, something out of the norm happens when MA folks pop in and they (quite understandably) say F this, and leave. Base captures happen, sure, but the majority of the time, its a 4v4, 4v6, 10v10 fight between two close bases, with captures and base porkage a rare thing. That happens in the MA also, but its uncommon.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Karnak
No, that was not directed at you.

I just find it useless that this thread was started just to ask those of us who have problems with the way the CT is run what we don't like about the CT and then to bluntly tell us we're wrong.


If there was never an intent to see if there was any way to address the concerns of people who don't like the CT in order to get more people into the CT, then what is the point of asking the question?

It was started by Hawk and he's debated visual acuity with players who think longer icon range will help the CT grow. (Something I haven't contested.) I believe I'm the only one who's bluntly told anyone they were plain wrong about something. I also believe I did it both tastefully and logically.

[Karnak]

Tastefully and logically are irrelevant.

If there is no possibility of trying something different then the question is pointless.

You aren't looking for feedback.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Karnak
I just find it useless that this thread was started just to ask those of us who have problems with the way the CT is run what we don't like about the CT and then to bluntly tell us we're wrong.
 

Apologies to all - we do get carried away sometimes.  Please don't run away from the thread, though, because it has produced some good responses, and CT people are currently discussing ways to make the arena more attractive to more people.

- oldman

[Arlo]

I repeat. It wasn't my thread. Also the suggestions of 3 sides, upping the side switch limitation and 20 minute planeset rotations were neither practical nor did they address the actual problem at hand. Nor does the claim that cheating runs rampant in the CT due to unlimited side switching hold merit.

I'm all for discussion about it but the truth was touched on a couple of times already. The MA enjoys more success because it was here first and more players fly there. Almost every single CT convert I've conversed with said they either didn't know about the CT at all or that friends they had in the MA gave it a bum rap and that's why they haven't been flying there.

I'm sure some tweaking will continue to happen, but what's really going to help the CT is positive promotion. And there's no need for MA regulars to fret about it. The CT could double in size (as far as regulars are concerned) and it shouldn't detract from the complaints about rook/knight/bish hordes or the size of the map in the MA or the general situation of the MA at all.

CT recruitment also involves an MA squad comprised of CT regulars now. So don't be surprised if you hear something positive said about the CT in the MA from time to time.

There's room for all, even with differences that YOU personally find distasteful (even differences that actually apply).

And yes, your presense in the CT would be welcome. Furious was there the other night. I was glad to see him. He seemed to be having a good time.

[kevykev56]

Just in the last couple of days of flying in the CT one thing that stands out above others....The average pilot in the CT are hands down better sticks. Im not saying this as a knock on anyone, it is just my personal experience. The maturity level also seems much higher.  When you make that first turn on someone and say...whoa this guy is good, and then the second turn your saying it again. When one of you finally die it is "name" Great fight! The adrenaline is pumping and the fun is there. None of the I want my Uber plane to kill your C202. Its more about even matchups that are fun! I will be spending more time in the CT and believe that there is room for more people in there. By the current situation in the MA I am thinking alot of others who would give it a try would also enjoy it. However its not for everyone, and I can also understand that.

Just saying give it a try, you may actually have fun!


RHIN0

[Karnak]

Arlo,

I'm not saying that all suggestions should be entertained.  Clearly 3 sides and accusations of rampant spying are silly.

However the reaction to icon issues was much the same as the reaction to the 3 side suggestion.


I want the CT to work and be a viable option for me.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by kevykev56
RHIN0

Curse you Rhino!

When you make that first turn on someone and say...whoa this guy is good

Hopefully I made you think that at least once

Seriously man, you handed me my arse more than once last night. You and "thebest1" both did, but at least I got him back once. to you, it was fun!

[simshell]

alot of times i go to the CT to bomb with bombers i could not use in the MA j88 j87 Val BN5 without having to face 190d-9s and typhoons all the time


yet you guys dont want bombers you want furballs

m i wrong?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Karnak
You aren't looking for feedback.

Bingo.

As to the idea that the CT just hasn't had enough exposure or that folks don't know about it, I'm tempted to do a rolleyes thingie.

Were all of you guys here when the CT was argued for and established? My oh my! The predictions of how folks were just going to FLOCK to the CT were coming fast and furious. Yet it never "took off", no matter that various folks have tried their hand at running it and attracting people.

Sooner or later the obvious will occur to some of you. This isn't an "advertising" problem. It's a "content" problem.

All you have to do is look at the suggestions made in this thread and the responses drawn from CT promoters. Not that any are NEW, of course; these same suggestions have been made since the CT's inception.

Crowds in the CT? Not until "the powers that be for the CT" take some of these suggestions to heart.

Change, in other words.

Just my .02.

As for the icons, I suggest you review the factual data in those two thread links I posted. This game....... ANY flying game currently available...... doesn't begin to match RL in terms of valid visual cues available. All come up woefully short; that's why we have conventions such as icons.