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Offline AKcurly

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« on: August 05, 2004, 10:19:49 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_re_us/school_construction

BALTIMORE - Kojo McCallum's fourth-grade classroom has been infested by mice and the window panes have deteriorated to a cloudy, opaque tint.

Outside the Charles Carroll Barrister Elementary School in Baltimore, graffiti colors the walls and drug needles have popped up on the grounds.

"Not only is it old and decrepit, it's the filthiest environment I've ever worked in in my life," McCallum said. "And kids have to learn there."

It would cost $3.85 billion to bring every Maryland school up to minimum health and safety standards, according to a February report from a task force led by State Treasurer Nancy K. Kopp.
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Let's see, 3.85 days of hunting for nonexistent WMDs equals bringing every Maryland school up to minimum health & safety standards.  Why I'll bet  200 days of hunting nonexistent WMDs would take care of the entire national public school system.  Imagine that! :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2004, 10:23:26 PM »
Are you saying we should pull some of that 5billion otw Iraq for our children? <>
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2004, 10:25:03 PM »
That's pretty sad considering only 19% of the education money givin to states is actually getting to the schools.

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2004, 10:39:23 PM »
Why is it that only urban schools suck like this?  Poor rural areas always seem to have exceptional facilities and seem to preform much better.  Why is that?

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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2004, 10:48:33 PM »
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_re_us/school_construction

Let's see, 3.85 days of hunting for nonexistent WMDs equals bringing every Maryland school up to minimum health & safety standards.  Why I'll bet  200 days of hunting nonexistent WMDs would take care of the entire national public school system.  Imagine that! :rolleyes:

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I grew up in Baltimore.  The last school I went to was Francis Scott Key JR High.  It was a dump 30 years ago.  Who are you going to blame for that.

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2004, 10:53:40 PM »
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Are you saying we should pull some of that 5billion otw Iraq for our children? <>


Maryland had (not sure if it is anymore) one of the highest tax rates in the country, what did they spend it on?

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2004, 11:00:35 PM »
most religious schools offer a better educations to students at about half the cost that the state pays.....throwing money to the states doesnt fix the problems.....its the states that need to be held accountable for there schools.

Not saying people NEED to send there kids to a religous based school just comparing cost issues.

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2004, 11:03:06 PM »
One of the selling points of a lottery was that all the money was gonna go to the schools......didn't happen.
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(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2004, 11:09:44 PM »
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One of the selling points of a lottery was that all the money was gonna go to the schools......didn't happen.


just like registration fees are suposed to fix the roads.  Throwing money at school systems does not seem to fix education shortfalls.

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2004, 11:30:32 PM »
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most religious schools offer a better educations to students at about half the cost that the state pays.....throwing money to the states doesnt fix the problems.....its the states that need to be held accountable for there schools.

Not saying people NEED to send there kids to a religous based school just comparing cost issues.


There are 3 types of private schools: catholic, religious (not catholic) and independent.  For the most part, religious schools are joke when compared to public schools.  Catholic and independent schools are stronger than religious schools, but still fall short of public schools so far as quality of instructional staff.  Of course, this is "on average."  There are private schools better than the average public school.

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2004, 11:39:51 PM »
Call me crazy, but I don't think money is the problem or the solution.  It IS a problem, though, no doubt.

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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2004, 11:46:48 PM »
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There are 3 types of private schools: catholic, religious (not catholic) and independent.  For the most part, religious schools are joke when compared to public schools.  Catholic and independent schools are stronger than religious schools, but still fall short of public schools so far as quality of instructional staff.  Of course, this is "on average."  There are private schools better than the average public school.

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I could be wrong, but  I've allways read that "non-public" schools generally produce better students at nearly half the costs.  

I'm not familiar at all w/ no child left behind but I think I read that it does hold schools accountable for there work.  Good and bad yes....but it has to start with the local govt giving a chit.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2004, 12:06:18 AM »
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I could be wrong, but  I've allways read that "non-public" schools generally produce better students at nearly half the costs.  

I'm not familiar at all w/ no child left behind but I think I read that it does hold schools accountable for there work.  Good and bad yes....but it has to start with the local govt giving a chit.


Costs on a per student expenditure?  Sure, private schools frequently hire teachers w/o the proper credentials.  

Good education requires a government smart enough to provide a decent facility; parents who care; teachers who possess adequate credentials and the willingness to interact with the family.

The burn out rate of public school teachers is very high --- poor compensation, high student/teacher load and poor support from the administrative staff.

Excellent education can occur in the most dismal surroundings, but it requires an unusual teacher ... sort of like the Michael Jordan of teachers.

Concerning the quality of private school instruction, well, my experience has been that it's awful (on average,) especially the religious schools.  I had at least one college freshman class once a year (two semester year) for over 30 years and the private school students were always behind -- even the bright ones.

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2004, 01:16:42 AM »
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_re_us/school_construction

BALTIMORE - Kojo McCallum's fourth-grade classroom has been infested by mice and the window panes have deteriorated to a cloudy, opaque tint.

Outside the Charles Carroll Barrister Elementary School in Baltimore, graffiti colors the walls and drug needles have popped up on the grounds.

"Not only is it old and decrepit, it's the filthiest environment I've ever worked in in my life," McCallum said. "And kids have to learn there."

It would cost $3.85 billion to bring every Maryland school up to minimum health and safety standards, according to a February report from a task force led by State Treasurer Nancy K. Kopp.
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Let's see, 3.85 days of hunting for nonexistent WMDs equals bringing every Maryland school up to minimum health & safety standards.  Why I'll bet  200 days of hunting nonexistent WMDs would take care of the entire national public school system.  Imagine that! :rolleyes:

curly


So the government now MAKES you take drugs, and MAKES you graffiti on the walls?

Blame someone else.

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2004, 01:26:50 AM »
Building a brand new school in those areas will just mean you will have a brand new toe' up skoo' the following year.

The education of kids in Baltimore is up to the citizens of Baltimore and Maryland to figure out. The Federal government shouldn't have anything to do with "education" in the first place.