Author Topic: It's not fine the way it is. . . (Read 4060 times)

beet1e · « **Reply #105 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:08:53 AM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
So you took one for the team eh? Hehehe I would've fought. Might not have won, probably not but still would have gave it a go. You never know Beet. I have killed alot of spits and niks in my jug. The more you fight at a disadvantage the more you learn.

PS... Mossies are real fast on a downhill run.

According to your stats on Innominate's website, you have 5 kills/8 deaths in the P47D30, 37 kills/18 deaths in the P47D11, and don't appear to have flown the P47D25 at all. Such a short career span in the P47 type would certainly explain why you thought that engaging a Spit & N1K simultaneously would have been a good idea in a P47. I have flown the P47 type rather more than you have, and knew that such an engagement would see those guys running rings around me if I were to have attempted a turn fight. You need to remember that not every plane can be flown like a SpitV.

Besides which, I like the teamwork (what little of it there is) in AH. I like flying a small mission (but never a missun) with a handful of guys. So when I led those guys away from A23, my actions were focussed on the team objective rather than my own personal aggrandisement. Duels are for the DA, capture missions are for the MA. Don't worry, you're not the only one who's still not figured that out!

As for the guys that chased me, and the MOSS that killed me, they made a tactical blunder. They threw away their alt when inspection of the map would have shown incoming Rooks. So they deserved to suffer the penalty of not being able to get back into the fight when the Rooks arrived. On a small map, they could have just upped from the field next door in LA7s and been back there in 2 minutes. That is wrong. Having been finessed into making a complete hash of their position, it's only right that they should suffer the consequences, and that the other side should profit from their error. Of course, maps with close fields do not reward tactical play.

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There is *always* conveyor belting, regardless of base spacing.

I don't agree with that. Your statement presupposes a large attendance in the MA, which suggests that you never play outside the hours of US prime time. Furthermore, if conveyor belting WAS always taking place, there would be long green or red bardars present on the map at all times, identifying the active locations, and we wouldn't have so many people whining that they can't find a fight on the pizza map.

As for FesterMA, you may have a valid point. I did play on that after the outer fields had been spaced out. I enjoyed OZK even more because it had more CVs, therefore more places from which to fly an F4U. I stayed away from that central furball area.

Stang · « **Reply #106 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:13:11 AM »

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As for the guys that chased me, and the MOSS that killed me, they made a tactical blunder. They threw away their alt when inspection of the map would have shown incoming Rooks.

No they didn't!!! He got you! WTG Mossie driver!

thrila · « **Reply #107 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:22:36 AM »

Mossies are uber.

Lazer · « **Reply #108 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:24:26 AM »

Uberly Ghey

DipStick · « **Reply #109 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:29:19 AM »

I didn't say, "it would be a good idea". In that situation however I and all of us who are here for the fight, would fight. I wouldn't drop my eggs and run like a schoolgirl. That's something I would never do and you will never understand. My present handle is not the only one I've ever had either but that's beside the point.

I have flown the 25 plenty but once again I don't fly anything like you. I am 4/1 in the 11 this month and that is fighting from a disadvantage of alt and numbers and plane type. You and others always run to scores when you feel threatened about your ego or something I don't know what.

You were milkrunning and ran into some opposition. The plane(s) really don't matter, it's fight or run. I would fight, you would run and never the twain shall meet.

thrila · « **Reply #110 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:30:36 AM »

Just because it's sexy, doesn't make it gay!

You're just jealous because of that ugly p38 you force yourself to fly.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #111 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:38:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Grizzly
I don't think perk points play such a large role. More likely players like to capture the arena to crush the opposition into the dirt. I think you can identify with that. =o)

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But I know most players will insist on the option of arena capture, it's legit and who am I to speak against it. That's why I proposed basing the compromise of basing the arena capture (and reset) on a threshold of destruction to the enemy country. It still requires attacking bases and factories, provides a solid role for the buff drivers, encourages team work, rewards the winner (including their perks), and pisses off the loser. But does not destroy the arena for the game play of others up until the reset.

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I know for a fact from the radio that on many occasions FH's are intentionally left up during many base attacks simply to allow fighters to launch to be vultched. The only tangible gain from this is perk points.

I would have to agree that having to knock a country back to one or two remaining fields is not ideal for the overall environment.

Lazer · « **Reply #112 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:39:09 AM »

Ahhh.. no force is involved.

We have a deep love for eachother, that can never be replaced.

especially by an ugly mossie

DipStick · « **Reply #113 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:50:26 AM »

Actually read more of your post Beet. What you want is for a few guys to be able to take a base with little opposition (a few easy kills). I just don't see the fun in that.

I have no doubt you guys are not liking AH2. It takes more to take a base than a few guys milkrunning. I'd like to see the whole base capture thing change personally but that's another thread.

You say, "maps with close fields do not reward tactical play" but that's not right. They require MORE tactical play.

I'm sure it will be a non-issue if TOD ever gets here. I just have a hard time figuring out why people would play a combat game and not want to fight.

thrila · « **Reply #114 on:** August 12, 2004, 11:04:19 AM »

Lazer, we both know the real story. A member of the TED's put a gun to your pet sheep's (we both know she's not just your pet;)) head, forcing you to fly p38's.

Wtg on keeping up the act though, the mossie hating looks really authentic.

Lazer · « **Reply #115 on:** August 12, 2004, 11:09:03 AM »

Yup... you had to go reveal our little secret

SlapShot · « **Reply #116 on:** August 12, 2004, 11:31:28 AM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I know for a fact from the radio that on many occasions FH's are intentionally left up during many base attacks simply to allow fighters to launch to be vultched. The only tangible gain from this is perk points.

I would have to agree that having to knock a country back to one or two remaining fields is not ideal for the overall environment.

No doubt some are vulchin' for the perks, but I would tend to lean towards the notion that they want to see their name in lights with a large number of kills and look for all the "WTFG" messages ... that is the real impetous IMO.

Remember, the side that has the most numbers will get doodily-squat for perks due to the perk multiplier being adjusted accordingly, and its the numbers side that usually creates the horde that does the vulching.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #117 on:** August 12, 2004, 12:46:11 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
No doubt some are vulchin' for the perks, but I would tend to lean towards the notion that they want to see their name in lights with a large number of kills and look for all the "WTFG" messages ... that is the real impetous IMO.

Good point ... I guess I underestimated the ambient lameness.

beet1e · « **Reply #118 on:** August 12, 2004, 01:25:45 PM »

Ruh-roh, I've hit a raw nerve with dipstick!

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I didn't say, "it would be a good idea". In that situation however I and all of us who are here for the fight, would fight.
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My present handle is not the only one I've ever had either but that's beside the point.

No, you would not have fought. Because dead men cannot fight. BTW why the alternative handle(s)? Are you afraid of people checking your stats?

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I wouldn't drop my eggs and run like a schoolgirl. That's something I would never do and you will never understand.

I understand perfectly: The D11 that you fly does not carry eggs.

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I have flown the 25 plenty but once again I don't fly anything like you. I am 4/1 in the 11 this month and that is fighting from a disadvantage of alt and numbers and plane type.

Great! I look forward to viewing the films! You were filming, weren't you?

BTW my career k/d in the P47D25 is better than 4/1, so I think I must be doing something right. As for running, the P47 is very good in a dive - which is just as well because it sure as hell doesn't climb well or turn well. I see nothing wrong with using a plane's strengths. The jug loves alt, and is good at diving from it, and recovering.

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You and others always run to scores when you feel threatened about your ego

You and others always get bent out of shape when confronted with the facts.

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I am 4/1 in the 11 this month

Ahem - what was it you just said about running to scores?

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I have no doubt you guys are not liking AH2.

AH2 is fine - the FM and gunnery is a HUGE step forward. But the gameplay sucks right now. Perhaps things will improve when (if) we get larger maps and when the kidz are back in school. Right now it's not even worth logging on, IMO.

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Actually read more of your post Beet. What you want is for a few guys to be able to take a base with little opposition (a few easy kills). I just don't see the fun in that.

What I want is an evenly matched contest. At the time I got my first kill in the sortie before the one in which the MOSS got me, at one point I was one of only 2 rooks at the enemy base, and there were 4 Bish. The opposition did dry up, even though their VH was up. But I ask you - is it my fault if the opposition turns it into a milkrun for us by not defending? Is it my fault if they're crying because they can't have an LA7 from a field 2 mins away? When I began my bomb run, I had a bish zeke about 1K higher than me, and he was a real menace. I later killed him, assisted by the fact that he threw away his alt/E to chase something lower. I managed mine carefully, which is how I came to have an alt advantage. Let me know if you can find anything wrong with that in the AH rule book.

DipStick · « **Reply #119 on:** August 12, 2004, 01:31:34 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
AH2 is fine - it's not even worth logging on.

Ahhh the beet1e spin, gotta love it.