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Offline Nash

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« on: August 06, 2004, 07:10:20 PM »
Not one of these Swift Boat WhateverThey'reCalled ever served with John on any swift boat. Not a single one of them.

None of these guys were witness to any event they describe in their book.

I didn't know that...
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 07:12:25 PM »
Really?  That's not what Van O'Dell said.  

Or every single one of Kerry's CO's.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2004, 07:12:59 PM »
Who's Van Odell?

And every one of Kerry's CO's said that The Swift Boat Operators for Liberation all served alongside Kerry?
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2004, 07:15:21 PM »
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Who's Van Odell?

And everyone one of Kerry's CO's said that The Swift Boat Operators for Liberation all served alongside Kerry?


Van O'Dell was there when Kerry "earned" his bronze star.  Do your homework before you flap next time.


No, every single one of Kerry's CO's served along side him.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2004, 07:15:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Nash
Not one of these Swift Boat WhateverThey'reCalled ever served with John on any swift boat. Not a single one of them.

None of these guys were witness to any event they describe in their book.

I didn't know that...


It bothers you, doesn't it? You're not a US citizen, and your opinion of our politics adds to 0.

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John Edwards: "If you have any question about what John Kerry is made of, just spend 3 minutes with the men who served with him."

Al French: "I served with John Kerry."

Bob Elder: "I served with John Kerry."

George Elliott: "John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."

Al French: "He is lying about his record."

Louis Letson: "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."

Van O'Dell: "John Kerry lied to get his bronze star ... I know, I was there, I saw what happened."

Jack Chenoweth: "His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day."

Admiral Hoffman: "John Kerry has not been honest."

Adrian Lonsdale: "And he lacks the capacity to lead."

Larry Thurlow: "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."

Bob Elder: "John Kerry is no war hero."

Grant Hibbard: "He betrayed all his shipmates ... he lied before the Senate."

Shelton White: "John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam."

Joe Ponder: "He dishonored his country ... he most certainly did."

Bob Hildreth: "I served with John Kerry ...

Bob Hildreth (off-camera): John Kerry cannot be trusted."

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2004, 07:17:37 PM »
Well damn... If ya put it like that ... Every soldier in Iraq served with General Tommy Franks... Doesn't mean they know anything about what eachother did.
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Offline Lizking

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2004, 07:18:56 PM »
You should delve deeper than shallow media headlines, Nash.  Had you bothered to read what each man wrote, then you would know that they served with him, one as a gunner on his boat, while Kerry was captain, and that the other men were in the same squadron(s), at the same time.  If they weren't, they say so, and their beef is with his testimony, not his service.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2004, 07:21:15 PM »
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You should delve deeper than shallow media headlines, Nash.


Excuse me but am I in the wrong place all of a sudden? I coulda sworn I was typing at the AH BBS.

Okay fine - what's the gunner chaps name?
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 07:21:25 PM »
no Nash is getting his talking points from the kerry campagn.

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"not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not."


that was from a letter from the kerry campagn to TV stations telling them not to show the ads.

I've never read any of these guys claiming to be "crewmates" but people that served in his division and on other boats.

SO in essence....YES they did SERVE with him.

The book "unfit for command" was written by a guy that took over kerry's boat after his 4 month combat tour was over.
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Offline Lizking

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2004, 07:21:59 PM »
Nash, the only thing these gentlemen state as a group is simple and is only thier opinion:  John Kerry is not fit to be the President.

Each individual says why he has reached that conclusion, though most cite his anti-war testimony.  Not that he was anti-war, even, specfically what he accused others of.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2004, 07:22:33 PM »
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Well damn... If ya put it like that ... Every soldier in Iraq served with General Tommy Franks... Doesn't mean they know anything about what eachother did.


What does General Franks have to do with this?
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Offline Lizking

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2004, 07:23:32 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2004, 07:24:43 PM »
"I am Bozo and I served with John Kerry".... means ..... "I was in Vietnam fighting Vietnamese and so was Kerry thus I served with him in this great purpose."

Now - which of these guys was in the boat, EVER, with Kerry?
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2004, 07:26:02 PM »
OMG - THIS guy is part of this?!




Holy.....
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2004, 07:26:56 PM »
1. If most of Kerry's fellow Swift veterans don't support him, then who were all those guys with him at the Democratic Convention? They made it appear that Kerry has the complete support of his "Band of Brothers" from Vietnam.
John Kerry has been able to convince about 13 men who served on Swift boats in the Mekong Delta to support him, 7 or 8 of whom were at various times crew members on his own 6-man boat. Those are the men the Kerry campaign so prominently featured at the Democratic Convention. The photograph we have posted at SwiftVets.com shows Kerry with 19 of his fellow Swift boat OICs (Officers In Charge) in Coastal Division 11. Four OICs were not present for the photograph. Only one of his 23 fellow OICs from Coastal Division 11 supports John Kerry.

Overall, more than 250 Swift boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief. That list includes his entire chain of command -- every single officer Kerry served under in Vietnam. The Kerry game plan is to ignore all this and pretend that the 13 veterans his campaign jets around the country and puts up in 5-star hotels really represent the truth about his short, controversial combat tour.

The Swift boats fought in groups, so the other OICs who fought alongside Kerry know him well and can accurately describe what he did and did not do. In many cases Kerry's fellow OICs had a better perspective than his own crew members, since the latter had no way to determine whether he was following orders and how well he worked with his peers.

Edid: Source - so you can just say its all lies. :)

http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php?topic=FAQ
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