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Offline lazs1

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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »
sheesh.... I am mediocre and I am like about 10-1 against the nik in a F4U-d.   I have never had a nik catch me unless I was going very slow or he had a huge alt/E advantage to start with.  I admit that 1 on 1 the nik is a hard plane to kill with a Hog but i don't run into em 1 on 1... They are always tied up in a fite and I do a lot of deflection shooting.  The other thing they do is try to climb straight up from a furball.  They don't climb any better than any of a number of planes I've seen and become big fat planeform targets for my hog if I enter the fite with a couple K advantage.   I have never had trouble zoom climbing with a nik in my Hog.  I have never seen a nik do anything that I couldn't or didn't picture it would do ahead of time.   I have never had a co e nik dive with my Hog... the idea is laughable..If they  (the nik's) do something that surprises u then you are an idiot.  nik is slow and easy to defeat.  RTB in a nik is a lot harder than  a Hog or some of the faster planes.   It, like the Spit, has to stay and fite.  It is quite simple to pick one apart a piece at a time.
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« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
Verm:

My email address is jayb@exmsft.com.  I tried to email you but I have a stale address.

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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2001, 10:19:00 AM »
"I saw a n1k once... it killed me. I got mad; went back and HO'ed him. He killed me again. I got madder and went back with a Chog and blew his kite to confetti with my superior skill and reflexes. (HO'ed)"

*sigh*

And so it goes. Yep the nik's a handfull... I've seen well flown ones in furballs confound and confuse those that attempt to keep it closely engaged.. leading litte clumps of bish sportsmen around like a damn conga line.

As with all A/C in the sim.. it's got quirks.. and yah I've seen it do amazing things. But then I've seen just about everything in the sim do amazing things at one time or another.

I applaud Creamo for looking at the 'question' objectively; and hope some good comes from the quest for Truth; Justice and the Approved Testing Way.

In the meantime; I think Chutes should be perked. Using one should cost yah 5 points.

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »
Boys, boys, boys, BOYS, boys...

Shall we all join hands and sing another round of "Perk 'em all!" ?

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2001, 11:54:00 AM »
I guess they just dont know how to read Creamo....kinda sad really.

Do you morons know where the "record film" key is?  Use it!!!  Without it, you are all just whining little squeakes.  I see guys complain over and over about the N1K2 but surprisingly its always the same guys and apparently they dont know how to record film.

Here's a clue dimwits....press Alt + R

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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2001, 12:01:00 PM »
Told you all along time ago "Today the Chog, tomorrow the N1K, then the next day..??"

Enjoy.  :)

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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2001, 12:32:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Told you all along time ago "Today the Chog, tomorrow the N1K, then the next day..??"

Well, of course. Quite obviously now that the -1C problem has been dealt with and we are very close to a final solution on ze N1K, it ist time to deal vith ze SpitFeuer Neun.

Jah, der Spit IX chust has to be perked! Und zen ve shall deal mit der SpitFeuer Fünf, zat nasty kleiner Teufel!

Und za Tiffie! Jah! Zat  vier Hispano-Tragen abomination! Ve must perk zat!

Now ve zing der perkin' zong!


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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2001, 01:51:00 PM »
Salute Gents,

     Hooligan, what is that crap?  You always take time out of a busy engagement to engage film?  I didn't know of the need for film in time to engage it.  Like I said I passed him and really didn't think it was in any way possible for him to catch me, I was pulling away from him when I last checked, and this was well after he completed his immelman.  Then suddenly tracerfire outside my cockpit.  Lag could have been the issue here but he seemed perfectly smooth up to that point.  

     In addition, your comment is tantamount to calling me a liar, which is not only rude but as they say in the western states "them's fighting words".    :mad: In addition, your condecending attitude toward me evidenced by your assumption that I wouldn't know how to post film, and your underhanded offer to assist me as if I were incompetent is taken in exactly the manner it was meant.  It may interest you to know that I am a Network Consultant in Real Life, I DESIGN and BUILD networks.  

     It is clear to me that you are nothing more than a troll looking to get a rise out of me.  Too bad you didn't try it somewhere I could reach you.  You might've gotten what they refer to as "too much of a good thing"  be careful what you wish for.  When I was in the army we had a remedy for people of your ilk, we used to give them a "blanket party", or "attitude adjustment".

     Let me leave you, Hooligan, with these final words of wisdom.......BITE ME!  :D

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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2001, 03:30:00 PM »
Gijeff:

I wasn't assuming that you couldn't post film, just offering to ensure that any film you made would get posted.

Furthermore, I don't think you are lying about this.  It seems very likely to me that some combination of lack of SA, misunderstanding of ACM etc... leads you to totally misinterpret what happened.  In short I think you are not skilled enough to even tell what happened.

However, you should be easily able to prove me wrong.  And if the FM is screwed up like you believe it is, I certainly hope that you provide the proof and that it is rapidly corrected.

So stop whining and making excuses.  Film an incident like this and post it or shut up.  Cease with the "I can't film" excuses.  Film every mission.  When you catch the event on film you can delete all the old films and keep that last one.  I will cheerfully and humbly apologize when you present the proof.  However, I really really doubt that this proof will be forthcoming.

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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2001, 04:25:00 PM »
Salute Gents,

Hooligan, you want some mint to go with the OTHER shoe you just jammed in your piehole?  I have been flying AH since it first came out.  I have also flown most WW2 fighter simulators, starting with European Air War, Fighter Squadron Screaming Deamons Over Europe, MS CFS-II, among others.   While my fighter ranking isn't the greatest, it is mostly from defending airfields against ridiculous odds that my K/D ratio suffers.  It might also interest you to know that I am a member of the Aces High Training Corps.  So much for your newbie theory.  :D Guess when you found out I wasn't technically incompetent you hadda blame it on my flight proficiency.  Couldn't possibly be that I saw what I say I saw, oh no.

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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2001, 04:32:00 PM »
I'll make it real easy for you.  Fly a niki for a week.  Surely if it has the UFO properties you profess you can come up with one film in that time demonstrating it.  Oh, and I did find your preemptory excuse for your poor fighter skills to be very very amusing.

Hooligan

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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »
ROFL.. this 'remembering to turn film on' issue reminds me of an incident from my youth.

While stationed in germany 30 years ago I was dating a very pretty young fraulein, only problem was her native ex-boyfriend and his pals were after my bellybutton fer 'stealing' her affections.

One evening; whilst finishing up a sumptuous jeagersnitzel dinner with this lovely lady I was accosted by these three guys who had obviously one thing in mind.. me; in the parking lot, with no teeth; no functional ribs and a broken arm or two.

I briefly went to the bar; got 'em all drinks used the phone to call the MP's and an ambulance. Then; I went back to the table; waited paitently while they worked themselves up to 'fight' mode; when it became obvious it was gonna happen (and I could hear a siren) I stood up, clobbered the first one with the chair; smacked the second in the chops with the Liebfraumilch, and was about ready to plant my boot in the thirds testicles when I got wolloped in the head from behind and went out like a light.

I woke up in the ambulance... but had my ribs, arms and teeth all where they were supposed ta be.

Moral.. if yah see a fight commin; prepare for the worst; don't wait fer the natural order of things to conclude before yah initiate action and make damn sure yah have health coverage.

So.. next time yah see a N1K headin yer way with malice aforthought; turn on the damn recorder so when yah wake up; you'll be able to determine what hit yah.

<S!>

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2001, 04:55:00 PM »
Geez Hangtime....there ya go trying to bring an element of logic into a big ole long Niki whine thread.  You should know better than that.

By the way folks....refer to Creamo's original post.  I believe he wanted some ways to test the N1K2 for abnormalities of the flight model.  He may have even mentioned for you to bring film to the table when you show up.

But then again...its just much easier to squeak and moan isnt it?

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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2001, 05:08:00 PM »
Query results: Tour 17


 kbman has 31 kills and has been killed 0 times against the N1K2

 
Query results: Tour 16


 kbman has 62 kills and has been killed 5 times against the N1K2.
 

 
Query results: Tour 15


 kbman has 73 kills and has been killed 11 times against the N1K2.
 

 

No comment...  :p

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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2001, 05:54:00 PM »
Yeah, sure KB.

But I bet YOU were flying... (Dun-Dun-Dun DAAAH!)...

THE C-HOG!

<AH! C-HOG! Run away! Run away!>

Perk! Perk! OH, puh-leeez! PERK!

Save us all! Save us all! Get out the Perk Gun and hit the F4U-1C! and the N1K1!  and, and...get the SpitIX too! QUICK!

Perk everything but the C202! ( and cut down the ammo in that!)

we're dooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

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