New Rash of Dweebery

[mars01]

How come we are seeing more people flying past multiple cons to do nothing but make a few worthless passes on the runway, only to be killed 2 seconds later.

Last night the Bish were intent on taking A9.  Almost half of them passed by a multitude of cons to get one or two Vulch passes before getting killed.  These guys were not dropping bombs they were trying to vulch.

I had an LA7 come in from 15k or higher dive in on the field, only to pull off because he was too high (lol) then try a lame pass on some sitting duck only to auger a second later when while I was on his tail.  

Had he engaged me with his alt advantage, we would have been locked in a 1 on 1 and the LA7 would have controlled the fight (for a little while lol).  Why make such a stupid attack.  This was just one example.  The whole night was like this.  Cmon Bish don't start proving Zazen right.  You gain no skills dying by vulching or HOing.

What can we do as a community to raise the skill level and increase the likelihood of people fighting rather than using lame tactics such as HOing and Vulching.

Vulching is OK when you have established a CAP, until then you are wasting your time flying from runway to runway.

[TalonX]

I have an idea....

Create a mandatory wait period for pilots killed or captured....Say, 5 minutes before you re-up.

If you ditch or bail, you have a 1 minute wait to re-up.

If you land, you re-up at once.

[RTR]

I thin part of the reason this happens is that summer time brings a whole lot of noobs. Kids on school break etc.

They for the most part end up flying as a "lone wolf" and don't know any better.

Maybe when we see this happening we should be offering to wing with them and show them the ropes, so to speak.

RTR

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
How come we are seeing more people flying past multiple cons to do nothing but make a few worthless passes on the runway, only to be killed 2 seconds later.

Last night the Bish were intent on taking A9.  Almost half of them passed by a multitude of cons to get one or two Vulch passes before getting killed.  These guys were not dropping bombs they were trying to vulch.

I had an LA7 come in from 15k or higher dive in on the field, only to pull off because he was too high (lol) then try a lame pass on some sitting duck only to auger a second later when while I was on his tail.  

Had he engaged me with his alt advantage, we would have been locked in a 1 on 1 and the LA7 would have controlled the fight (for a little while lol).  Why make such a stupid attack.  This was just one example.  The whole night was like this.  Cmon Bish don't start proving Zazen right.  You gain no skills dying by vulching or HOing.

What can we do as a community to raise the skill level and increase the likelihood of people fighting rather than using lame tactics such as HOing and Vulching.

Vulching is OK when you have established a CAP, until then you are wasting your time flying from runway to runway.

Mars, this is a favorite tactic of the Bishops unfortunately. I have seen only one Bish actually do this and survive, it was in an Lgay7 on NDisles about 3 weeks ago (I think it was waffle as he was gloating about vulching 2 Rooks in an Lgay7 at the time, I was on his 6 as he egressed). What we are dealing with is people who have resolved through bitter experience that they cannot, consistantly, get a kill any other way and/or simply gave up trying to 'really' fight.

I fight Bishops alot and notice they do this alot, but having killed alot of them I can tell you it's not an epidemic of numbers of them doing it, it's actually about 10 to 15 of them that ONLY do this. So, you see it alot. Kind of like how fuel porkers were in AH1, a few people ONLY EVER pork n' augered into fuel tanks. They'd die, re-up, rinse and repeat to the total exclusion of any other activity.

Zazen

[DipStick]

I mostly fight Rooks and see this every time I play. It's not country specific.

[RTR]

this is a favorite tactic of the Bishops unfortunately

it's actually about 10 to 15 of them that ONLY do this.

So Zazen, which is it?

Your response is without a point.

it is pointless

it is rounded at the end

It is conflicted and obtuse.

It is a rehash of previous tripe.

RTR (my sneetch has a star on its belly, has yours?)

[mars01]

Zazen,

There is no need to start country bashing.  I'm sure there are knights that do this as well as rooks.  Last night it was just the Bish so that was the example.

The point of the post was to start a dialog where we might figure out a way to help people attain skills while getting the word out that this kind of behaviour is not really fighting or if the community deems it is a valid form of fighting then so be it.

Please leave your personal bias about one country or the other at the door.  These are tactics that people in all the countries employ unfortunatly.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by RTR
So Zazen, which is it?

Your response is without a point.

it is pointless

it is rounded at the end

It is conflicted and obtuse.

It is a rehash of previous tripe.

RTR (my sneetch has a star on its belly, has yours?)

My point is, Bishops do this, I have never seen a knight or rook do this. I'm sure the odd one has in someone's experience, but the tactic seems prevalent only among Bishops for some unknown reason as Mars01 mentioned.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Zazen,

There is no need to start country bashing.  I'm sure there are knights that do this as well as rooks.  Last night it was just the Bish so that was the example.

The point of the post was to start a dialog where we might figure out a way to help people attain skills while getting the word out that this kind of behaviour is not really fighting or if the community deems it is a valid form of fighting then so be it.

Please leave your personal bias about one country or the other at the door.  These are tactics that people in all the countries employ unfortunatly.

Stating universally known facts is not country bashing. It's not my fault they do this, merely pointing it out as fact is not tantamount to bashing them. An example:  People saying Rooks fly higher than the average is a fact, you call Rooks alt-monkeys, do you ever see me getting my panties in a bunch? Nope. Because any intelligent thinking person, with even an iota of observational skills knows this to be a FACT. You guys are far too hypersensitive.

Zazen

[mars01]

Stating universally known facts is not country bashing. It's not my fault they do this, merely pointing it out as fact is not tantamount to bashing them. An example: Everyone saying Rooks fly higher than the average is a fact, you call Rooks alt-monkeys, do you ever see me getting my panties in a bunch? Nope. Because any intelligent thinking person, with even an iota of observational skills knows this to be a FACT. You guys are far too hypersensitive.

Dude you are so full of ****.

I have not accused Rooks of being alt monkeys since I took the world tour and realized my stupidity that there are Major Nelsons in all the coutries.  I wish you had the ability of self realization as well.  Get off your dead horse.

[FiLtH]

I think its because for the guy screaming into the enemy base, he has a choice...lose your E by manuvering to get shots on those around the base, and opening yourself up to aa, or scream in and killing the easiest target, the guy sitting on the runway.

   I think it happens on all sides, and I myself have done it often when I real fast..too fast to get shots on anything else.

   That said..it is the MA where anything and everything happens. If WW2OL taught me anything, its that you can't create a game, and open it to players from around the world and expect everyone to play the same way, or the way one person, or the designers envisioned.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Dude you are so full of ****.

I have not accused Rooks of being alt monkeys since I took the world tour and realized my stupidity that there are Major Nelsons in all the coutries.  I wish you had the ability of self realization as well.  Get off your dead horse.

I didn't specifically say you did mars, why so defensive?

Zazen

[Edbert]

All three sides do this, a lot, and it is nothing new.

I can't think of any way to prevent it. The death=5 minutes, and land=zero minutes idea would not prevent it. It might slow down pork and auger types but will not stop vulchers who prefer nearly stationary targets to ones that can maneuver.

Perhaps posting the films of them doing it will hlep, but that certainly wont stop them altogether either. I've said something to a countrymate before over open channel when I was mixing it up with the CAP over an enemy base and some "support" comes in high only to head straight for the runway. Peer pressure from colleagues has a greater effect than anything I can name.

[B17Skull12]

zazen and his coutry 'Know it all':rolleyes: .

teh furball ist dying.  mars the solution is find a way to make him fight.  if that means come out of your dog hose and get alt do it!  Most of them are easy kills anyways.

[Cooley]

Edit: NM,was before i had my coffee