Author Topic: New Rash of Dweebery (Read 2888 times)

Mugzeee · « **Reply #75 on:** August 12, 2004, 05:44:22 AM »

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Originally posted by B17Skull12
slapshot please tell what your idea on how to stop this is. The time is is the only logical way to stop this. what increase ack leethality next?

There is no way to stop this if we are too lazy to use the obvious tactics as you mentioned earlier.
But try watching the Darbar a little closer and get into "Intercept posistion early with a fast "Interceptor and the problem is solved.
Also if anyone is sooo concerned about this type of dweebery?
Then id recomend practicing your Air Patrol Skills. Yes a real life "Patrol" CAP (Combat Air Patrol)
There really are answers to these so called "Problems" Its just that most of us dont like the answers. Instead we want everyone flying at the speed and alt we are. I appears that these "Dweebs" have fouind a new source of fun. If we dont like it...its time we work on ways to stop it ourselves. It really is easy to stop..if you want to take the time to pay attention to your DAR and take early measures to stop it.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #76 on:** August 12, 2004, 08:24:31 AM »

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Originally posted by RTR
Someone give Zazen the Heimlich.

He's choking on a statement.

RTR

Cant we give him a cracker instead?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #77 on:** August 12, 2004, 08:43:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
There really are answers to these so called "Problems" Its just that most of us dont like the answers. Instead we want everyone flying at the speed and alt we are. I appears that these "Dweebs" have fouind a new source of fun. If we dont like it...its time we work on ways to stop it ourselves. It really is easy to stop..if you want to take the time to pay attention to your DAR and take early measures to stop it.

Here you hit the nail on the head perfectly.
Exeryone seems to want everyone else to play the game the way THEY think it should be played and according to their rules. And anyone that doesnt is a vulch,pork,furball,strat,timid,altmonkee,GV, etc etc etc "Dweeb" And something must be done about them.
Flying prefrences and styles are only limited by the amount of people that there are playing and HTC has wisely chosen to let the players fix their own problems.
the problem is as you said. Most dont like the solutions.
Mostly because it takes them away from playing the game the way they want to play it. Which as often as not is the other guys dweebery.

DipStick · « **Reply #78 on:** August 12, 2004, 08:53:57 AM »

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There really are answers to these so called "Problems" Its just that most of us dont like the answers. Instead we want everyone flying at the speed and alt we are. I appears that these "Dweebs" have fouind a new source of fun. If we dont like it...its time we work on ways to stop it ourselves. It really is easy to stop..if you want to take the time to pay attention to your DAR and take early measures to stop it.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Here you hit the nail on the head perfectly.
Exeryone seems to want everyone else to play the game the way THEY think it should be played and according to their rules. And anyone that doesnt is a vulch,pork,furball,strat,timid,altmonkee,GV, etc etc etc "Dweeb" And something must be done about them.
Flying prefrences and styles are only limited by the amount of people that there are playing and HTC has wisely chosen to let the players fix their own problems.
the problem is as you said. Most dont like the solutions.
Mostly because it takes them away from playing the game the way they want to play it. Which as often as not is the other guys dweebery.

No you're both wrong and have no idea what we are talking about here. We are trying to identify and HELP these guys learn to fight. Not figure out how to shoot them down. That's easy.

Taking off flying straight to another base and getting 1 vulch kill (or not) and dying to ack is NOT a "flying style". It's total stupidity ie: someone who has no idea how to fight.

We would like to HELP these guys start their journey in ACM and become part of the community of A2A simmers, not just fly (as stated above) a month, say "this sucks" and leave.

Is that the intent of this thread mars or am I missing something?

RTR · « **Reply #79 on:** August 12, 2004, 08:57:43 AM »

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Jamusta's comments weren't directed at you but at Zazen.

RGR Ack-Ack I realise that sir. was just a comment after I had read through the whole thread again, and didn't like what I was reading (from myself included).

Jamusta, I hope you didn't read any criticism in my previous post. It was not meant to be directed at you sir.

As far as what was originally intended by this thread (before Zazen and I started swinging purses), the only way to stop this type of "dweebery" is by education. We gotta teach the noobs the finer points, or at least extend the hand and make the offer.

cheers,
RTR

SlapShot · « **Reply #80 on:** August 12, 2004, 09:08:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
There is no way to stop this if we are too lazy to use the obvious tactics as you mentioned earlier.
But try watching the Darbar a little closer and get into "Intercept posistion early with a fast "Interceptor and the problem is solved.
Also if anyone is sooo concerned about this type of dweebery?
Then id recomend practicing your Air Patrol Skills. Yes a real life "Patrol" CAP (Combat Air Patrol)
There really are answers to these so called "Problems" Its just that most of us dont like the answers. Instead we want everyone flying at the speed and alt we are. I appears that these "Dweebs" have fouind a new source of fun. If we dont like it...its time we work on ways to stop it ourselves. It really is easy to stop..if you want to take the time to pay attention to your DAR and take early measures to stop it.

Mugzee ... no offense bud, but I am so tired of hearing this answer.

I like the Spit V ... so I will take my Spit V to 15-20K and use my real Air Patrol Skills and look for incoming.

Ah ... I see a dot co-alt, so I fly towards it ... get an icon at 6K out ... it's a P-51.

I continue to close and stalk the P-51, gettting closer.

Now I am getting real close, so I start to make my move to engage.

Whoa ... whats this ?!?!? He puts his nose down to gain speed and then comes right at me with guns a'blazin' so I manouver to avoid the HO.

I look out the back and what has he done ... continued his nose down attitude and is now approaching 500mph.

Guess what ? ... there ain't no way in hell that I am going to catch this guy in my Spit V, and I would go as far as to say that even if I was in a P-51, I still would not catch this guy.

That worked great !!!

SlapShot · « **Reply #81 on:** August 12, 2004, 09:15:44 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Here you hit the nail on the head perfectly.
Exeryone seems to want everyone else to play the game the way THEY think it should be played and according to their rules. And anyone that doesnt is a vulch,pork,furball,strat,timid,altmonkee,GV, etc etc etc "Dweeb" And something must be done about them.
Flying prefrences and styles are only limited by the amount of people that there are playing and HTC has wisely chosen to let the players fix their own problems.
the problem is as you said. Most dont like the solutions.
Mostly because it takes them away from playing the game the way they want to play it. Which as often as not is the other guys dweebery.

DRED ... don't get Holyier than thou on us ... you are as guilty of the above just like everyone else.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #82 on:** August 12, 2004, 09:38:25 AM »

No not really. as much as I hate to agree with him on just about anything Zazen is right about one thing.
there are experianced players who also do the same thing. I witnessed such an incident last night and got 3 proxie kills on people I have personally known to be here since before I have. And these guys are NOt pork and auger types. Oh and just for the record. they were ALL Rooks
And While I never auger intentionally have done tis myself.
some of the reasoning behind such a move is to create a delay of aircraft at an enemy base from getting to your own base so more friendlies can be up to meet the threat. Typically happens when one side starts getting an advantage over another
Or to keep the enemy low so a larger force behind you can come in with little or no resistance
Typically when you dive in on a base to pork,vulch or whatever you immediately become everyones target of choice. And if there are 10 planes that just upped you can be sure that at least 8 of them will develop tunnelvision and start chasing you around often ignoring that large blob thats comming in behind you. Now thats 8 less planes headed to your airfeild, or 8 less planes getting alt to meet an incomming threat.
I see this all the time on all sides.

As for flying past another aircraft then diving down. Well speaking for myself. If my plan is to come down to an enemy base for some kind pork or delaying action. My stopping to engage you just cause your there is counter productive to my objective.
Ive seen entire squads avaid the fight so they could reach their objective. why should individual planes be any different.

The newbie may be a large portion of the people that do this. And yes they need help form some of the more experianced players But it is far from being the only kind that do it.
And outside of the newbies. there are solutions. some already use them and speaking from experince are quite good at it.
but its just as we've said. Most dont like the solutions etc etc

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
There really are answers to these so called "Problems" Its just that most of us dont like the answers. Instead we want everyone flying at the speed and alt we are. I appears that these "Dweebs" have fouind a new source of fun. If we dont like it...its time we work on ways to stop it ourselves. It really is easy to stop..if you want to take the time to pay attention to your DAR and take early measures to stop it.
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No you're both wrong and have no idea what we are talking about here. We are trying to identify and HELP these guys learn to fight. Not figure out how to shoot them down. That's easy.

Taking off flying straight to another base and getting 1 vulch kill (or not) and dying to ack is NOT a "flying style". It's total stupidity ie: someone who has no idea how to fight.

We would like to HELP these guys start their journey in ACM and become part of the community of A2A simmers, not just fly (as stated above) a month, say "this sucks" and leave.

Is that the intent of this thread mars or am I missing something?

DipStick · « **Reply #83 on:** August 12, 2004, 09:47:24 AM »

Well if veterans are indeed doing this crap then this game is going down hill fast. If this is the "Great strategy" that is part of 'winning' the war' - I'm glad I have no part in it. The game needs a serious revamping as to strategic targets and other gameplay issues.

Stang · « **Reply #84 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:07:43 AM »

Veterans do it... a LOT. I watched a whole flight of Rook veterans do this at a knight field two nights ago. I was totally beside myself, basically screaming over local vox "WTF are you guys doing?" I'm sure noobs do it too, since it is the "easy" way to get kills, especially when they see now a majority of the players doing it, they naturally follow suit w/ the pack. Heck, I always thought the easy way to amass huge kill tallies was to take out the high guys first, then the low guys are meat. What do I know though.

mars01 · « **Reply #85 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:27:19 AM »

Well if there are that many Old Hands doing this then, public humiliation seems the only possible solution and the community as a whole needs to point them out and shun this kind of cowardice and lack of skill.

I think a as community we need to pull together on more of these issues and bring offenders to the surface.

I also think there needs to be a public push in the MA to get people on these message boards. New life, ideas and views on these boards could be refreshing change as well as getting info out to improve game play and etiquette.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #86 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:57:28 AM »

Zazen you developing a nice fan base for you fanclub keep up the good work..

actually I notice this behavior of flying around doing nothing on all countries, the bish imo used to do it most (they had numbers go figure) but after last night with some 180 rooks barely holding our last island from capture when we used to do it with 50 for about three hours back during the gauntlet.. my stock in rook dominion is wanning. Were getting to many newbs. and their pathetic tactics are starting to show.. exp:

You guys blow our radar, well guess what the whole country just about shuts down.. Im like "wtf get in the air move do something.." "be a target drone just get in the damn air.." finally fear goes away and we get in the air and guess what.. with all the cap in the air our radar comes back up , lo and behold ...

next sortie...

people are trying to do attack mission on the port well SOP would dictate get some airsuperiority and then go blow the port to high hell... well guess what im the only one aircap and i get overwelmed by 3 109's I keep telling need help nw of port..(im fighting them while calling this in..)(old rook army would have 3-5 cap on demand (supercruise) to defend thats what you had to do when 150 vs 150 vs 50..) calls go un heeded (actually glasses made a funny comment but other than that zombies) well i finally get bagged and guess where those 3 fighters go proceed to do, stall the attack on the port..kill the first wave of attackers.. and delay our conquest.. Im thinking weee....... brilliant fellas we out number them 3to1 and you duds would rather drop you 1k of bombs then successfully cap the mission.. stupidity like this and i had enough.. current rook mentality seems to be "someone else will take care of it.." and that crap is weak......

give me 50 rooks who used to fight in the gauntlet over the 180 with 60% newbs any day of the week..

the freaking Rooks are becomming what we hate the most and thats the bishops... Lemming horde freaks....Like revenge of the nerds that character Ogre who would go" NEEERDDDssss.. "just insert "dweeeeeeeeeebs" and thats me personified.... (as i smash a aluminum can on my forehead..)

Im now back with the knits to balance the horde (also seeing the slob tactics first hand i dont think it will be that hard to rack kills against them.. numbers or not) Mindless drones going from one target to the next are worked mess hall bacon in my eyes..

if the tactics and numbers improve in rookland then ill go back until then death to em....

DoctorYo

PS: Zazen I'll try not to kill you but I give no promises..

Warp · « **Reply #87 on:** August 12, 2004, 11:13:48 AM »

Why it when a team, or opposing team pilots don't fly the way YOU want them to it is a problem?

If someone wants to bypass airborne cons to vultch, isn't that his/her prerogative?

If someone wants to exclusively fly spits or la7's, why is this a problem? Are you having a hard time killing them in a 190-d9?

I'm not being sarcastic, I really want a valid reason why it's a problem.

Doesn't it make sense to use the most effective tool/tactic for the job?

Seriously, some people need to quit trying to arm-chair general the game and just get on with it. You know the game, you know what can and can't be done.

I think the real issues in the game have more to do with things like net lag, unbalanced team numbers and the like. But for crying out loud, quit whining when an la7 shoots you down in your 190 or p-51.

If you want to master the 190, fine, be my guest, but don't expect to be able to fly it like an la7 or a spit. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

dedalos · « **Reply #88 on:** August 12, 2004, 11:20:02 AM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO

give me 50 rooks who used to fight in the gauntlet over the 180 with 60% newbs any day of the week..

Hmm, I think some of us are now knights,

Hammy · « **Reply #89 on:** August 12, 2004, 11:46:15 AM »

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Lynx this is not just a Bish problem, I apologize if some get that idea. It just happened to be the Bish I was fighting against last night. The Rooks and Knights have the same problem as well.

Not according to Zazen