Every Man For Himself - High

[phookat]

Originally posted by jdpete75
Why not just switch sides and fly for yourself.  I did it tonight and it wasnt so bad.  I didnt worry about clearing 6s didnt have to worry to much about giving them either.  After all I am not really a bish....

Why not switch sides and just fly as you normally would?  Is it so hard to help a stranger?

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Hyrax81st
I know ! Give perk CREDITS for moving to the other side. That way you are REWARDING someone for moving rather than PUNISHING someone for staying !

That one was already put out for consideration last week.

[Kev367th]

Actually thinking about it, if the Rooks spread their squads out throughout the week you probably would be affected very little by the modifier. Or is it you enjoy the big number disparity that much.

[dtango]

Phookat -
the pickup basketball game analogy works if that's what you're interested in.  For some the analogy is more like league basketball vs. pickup games.  Teams in leagues are much more organized and appeal to an entirely different crowd vs. pickup bball.  Nothing wrong with either.  The point is both analogies (at the least) exist in the MA with different folks gravitating torward different analogies.

HT-
I didn't know idea's were still up for discussion.  I agree with you and others that we should address the numbers imbalance.  Obviously alot has been hashed on this and I certainly haven't gone through the trouble to collate the ideas.  Obviously you've weeded a lot of them out already and settled on the ENY approach.

If you're still up for ideas I'm sure we can still generate them.  What were your thoughts regarding the idea Skynome posted or ideas similar to it?  Are there modifications to that idea that would make it acceptable in your view?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127213&referrerid=3699

We're working on adapting to the current system.  I actually have no problem with moving countries as a squadron but would like some safeguards built in so that we don't lose squadron cohesion due to the spikiness of short term numbers and country shifts that gets members locked in countries away from their squadrons.  EDIT: - e.g. 1st squad member goes online and is in country A.  2nd squad member who several hours before was in country B goes online 10 minutes later and is automatically switched to the country A to join the 1st squad member.  

Humble:
I take exception to the comment that teamwork is garbage.  That's certainly why I've lasted as long as I have online here.  What draws me is tight teamwork among a close knit group of pilots in AH in a massive online gaming enviroment.  Otherwise I could get the same from IL2 FB, Falcon 4.0, CFS3 etc. for free instead.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[Xargos]

I'm finding it hard to be a Bish right now for the simple fact I have no one to talk to.  The rest of my squad did not switch over with me and I only know a few people in Bishland.  I am still willing to give it a few more days but I understand why so many people do not want to switch.  It's human instinct to resent things being forced on us.

[Kev367th]

Xargos fly along with us, although your not a squad member (wouldn't expect ya to leave your squad) you are welcome to wing up with us.

[phookat]

Originally posted by Midnight
Sorry, it is different. 10 guys playing basketball.. you know them all, they are usually somewhat of a known person to you.

Even if they weren't all known to you, you'd still switch sides.  And even if you knew the ppl on your team and the other guys were from the Accounting Department, you'd still switch sides.  Because the purpose is just to have some fun playing hoops.  Not a big deal.

Right?  Tell me I'm right.  Tell me you wouldn't throw a fit and ***demand*** to stay on the Human Resources team because you've been working with them for, God, 10 years now, and you've developed *personal relationships* with them, and you couldn't possibly think of *betraying* them by joining the other team for this all-important game of pick-up basketball from whose outcome the next NBA all-star team will likely be selected and for which therefore precautions must be taken to avoid disrupting the almost telepathic tactical communication you have developed with the guys in the HR department.  Especially since those Accounting guys are *total pansies* for suggesting that the game might be more fun if one of you came over and made it a 5-5 game instead of 6-4.

Originally posted by Midnight
Not to mention that after flying against certain players for so long, people tend to build either a certain repect for, or total loathing of other players. For example, if I switched to knights or bish today, I know there are certain players who I would let die in a furball and not risk my arse to save them... probably visa-versa too....

Luke.  Don't give in to Hate.

[dtango]

Phookat:

Did you catch my post?  Different strokes for different folks .  You liken this to pickup bball.  I liken it to league bball.  Different motivations, same game.  Makes a world of difference.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[phookat]

Originally posted by dtango
Phookat -
the pickup basketball game analogy works if that's what you're interested in.  For some the analogy is more like league basketball vs. pickup games.  Teams in leagues are much more organized and appeal to an entirely different crowd vs. pickup bball.  Nothing wrong with either.  The point is both analogies (at the least) exist in the MA with different folks gravitating torward different analogies.

The league analogy doesn't work for this topic, because in a league the game simply stops if there aren't equal players on each side.  This is a freeform environment, much closer to the pickup game.  And the arena would be a lot more easygoing if people treated it that way.  And I think such a change of perspective would ease a lot of folks' pain, given what I've been reading here.

[Cobra412]

At this point I could careless if I had to move to another country.  Is there a way to account for exactly how many numbers there are with each and every squad in the game?  If so give us a round number for how many and what it would take to even the numbers up.  Squad COs could get an email with the information and whoever chooses to switch could email HT.  HT could then tally up the numbers again so as to ensure a somewhat balanced arena.  If things match up the deal is done and we go on our merry way.  If this kind of limiting stays in affect for a long period of time I doubt I'll stay around myself.  But as folks have said in the past the squad means the most and I'll do as they wish(To an extent Sr).  I just don't feel like us switching only to find out we are gonna get screwed on the other side too and be stuck for x amount of hours.  

I understand that many folks enjoy having a home where they know we can count on the next person.  I can also understand why many folks actually enjoy being  a Rook.  For me it's not about the numbers it's about respect you get from them.  I have yet to witness anyone on the Rook side being a jerk to one of their own.  I know in my time I've made a few enemies when it comes to the game.  JBs are one that come to mind right off the bat.  What amazed me is with as much as we fought over channel 1 when I came to the Rooks there was no ill feelings whatsoever.  They welcomed me to the Rooks as if I had been there from the beginning.  Same goes with the majority of the Rooks.  

I flew with the Bish for a year straight and from day one alot of the Bish belittled you, were rude, and had absolutely nothing good to say at all except for their own squad mates.  Maybe if one day Bish could learn to be a little more respectful then folks would fly there.  There are alot of good guys on Bish but for the most part they get what they deserve when folks leave.  If you treat your countrymen like watermelon on a daily basis then your bound to have them leave.  I wouldn't be surprised if half the new folks that come on also leave or change sides because of this.  Who wants to deal with folks that give you sarcastic remarks for anything you ask?  It's pretty bad when you want to mute your own country channel because of how rude folks are.

[dtango]

Phookat:

That's the problem.  I and others don't see this as a pickup game. And I doubt seriously you would convince me otherwise !

BTW - I've been in league games where we didn't have a full roster and we only fielded 6 guys.  The other team had 12.  The game didn't stop then (and I was so dead after the game I barely crawled out the gym!).

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[Cobra412]

Oh and one more thing. It'd help if squads cleaned up their rosters so we know who is actually active.  If and when they come back to fly somewhat regularly then add them back.  I'm sure that will help the overall numbers actually playing.  It'd also be nice for new folks just joining that if the system could register the overall numbers allocated to a side and place them accordingly.  Ofcourse this could only be done if HT knows what squads are flying for what side.

[Stone]

HiTech has come up with a good sollution to balance game IMO.

[Pawz]

All you freakin crybaby Nitsbitshes can't wait to see what rule you come up with next to get hitech to try and slow rooks down.

[Redd]

Originally posted by hitech
Midnight: Since you conseed side balance is needed.


Try come up with an idea that does the following.

1. Moves people to the other side.

This is the basic issue, I have herd lots of ideas but most that I have seen are always made to "Not impact me". So they were basicly saying for this small penalty I still won't change countries and still get to fly the way I want. Well that dosn't acomplish the thing you agreed needed to be solved.


HiTech

Perhaps a combination of  things to cast a wider net.

If it was a perk cost like Sirloin has  suggested and a score factor/multiplier of some type , the two things working together might encourage a broader section  of those playing to switch for the longer term.   ie those that care about perks and those that care about score. You can can't come up with anything that will really impact 100% of the players , so it's a matter of hitting as high a % as you can.


Lots of gentle nudging might eventually add up. They would then have no real reason to whine either.


If  ENY was incorporated in the scoring , would people be encouraged to also broaden the use of the planeset ?