Intel VS AMD in AH !

[-lynx-]

err... ummm... PIII 450 with Viper770 - never seen FPS lower than 30 - high 40s is a norm. I ran it at 500 (504) and 600 (598) - no sweat but I didn't see much point in forcing the system if there's no real (visual) difference between 35 and 135 FPS...

But if you have to have that "latest and greatest" - why not? Somebody has to buy all this crap coming out every month or so...

p.s. icons in 1600x1200 are just as ugly .

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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF

[lasse]

I know lynx, I am flying in 1600x1200 today with my current system (fps 15-30).

And yes you are right, I am one of those `dorks` that just MUST have the latest, just cant help it,I just  must have, must have, must have  .


Hirr hirr hirr    

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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
lasse-

[Spatula]

I Have a AMD K6/2-400 with a TNT-2 & 128Meg RAM. I get 25-40 FPS depending on scene. Movies are around 25 FPS to give you an idea. More FPS isn't allways better!

The difference between K6 and K7 (Athlon) are HUGE, they are totally different design, a completetly diffent class of processor.

The difference Between K6-2 and a K6-3 is the K6-3 has a very good Cache design (important for graphics) It is on par with Pentium IIIs of eqaul clock speed. The K6-2 has a fairly bad cache design and a not so good floating point unit. Which makes them slightly inferior to a celeron of similar clock speeds. They are now doing 550 K6-2 and they have dropped the K6-3, so maybe K6-2 have been improved.

If you have the money dont get a K6 they're ok, but not speed deamons.  

As for intel vs Athlon, there aint much real difference. The Athlon can run the FSB at 200 Mhz (twice that of an intel) but good luck finding RAM that runs at that speed.

I think the Athlon is a superior chip with a better FPU and Cache - especially when you consider its alot cheaper for the same bang.

If i was you id get a slightly slower chip and spend the rest of the money on a good video card (spelt 'G-Force Pro') and at least 128 Meg of RAM - 256 if ya wanna play with power   An athlon 700 will outperform and 800 if it has more memory and a good video card. I dont play the clock speed game, its a ploy to get you to spend more. Performance in games (3D) comes from a good FPU, Cache, RAM and an adequate clocked chip.

Have a good think about it. Purchase more RAM and the Best video card over clock speed - you wont regret it.



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Supreme Mega-Overlord Spatula
"...perfect for serving"
=357th Pony Express=

[Glasses]

yup true movies are 25fps but real life happens at an outstanding 60fps or so for true motion capture

[Vulcan]

Umm, I work for a hardware distributor. While I hear a lot of people who say how much they love the K7 I hear roughly 4:1 who are really really disappointed in it.

I'm suprised some of you guys actually got the K7 going with the Geforce, there were truckloads of issues with them early on.

I also have one friend who is even more of a speed fiend than me, he has a P3-750 overlocked to 8something and he says it kicks his K7s butt like a hawg chewing on a spit. He has around 4 K7s he has bought and decided they sucked so threw them into work as web servers - so its not like he didn't really try.

Personally I've gone for the Piii-600 with 133Mhz SDRAM (Asus VIA) and Geforce DDR option. The K7 with the DDR-SDRAM may be fast but I think 133Mhz is going to be a lot more 'economically viable'.

BTW, its true the Geforce is not as fast as TNT2 in AH (unless ur running over 1280 res), but wait until HT impliments night flying with hardware light sourced searchlights and ack <g>.

My recommendation, go Intel CPU, either a VIA or BX board (ie, not 820), and if your budget can't push it TNT2 (if it can Geforce).

-vlkn- in

[Karnak]

Vulcan, the AMD 750 chipset has some problems with the GeForce.  Via's KX133 on the other hand using an Athlon 800 and a Geforce wiped the floor with the Pentium III 800 using the same GeForce.  The Athlon itself has no problem with any card.  The AMD 750 chipset has quite a few problems.

Like Vulcan, I too work with computer hardware.

Sisu

[Vulcan]

Yeah Sisu I know that. But we haven't had our hands on the new VIA KX133s yet. Asus are shipping us samples this week.

Until I saw some people locally hugging (or throwing them out windows) the new boards I didn't want to comment. I heard a lot of people offshore raving early on about the K-7 (with the AMD chipset) only to hear what a lemon it was later. So the new board might be good but I would like to hear/see it in action.

BTW, downloaded the latest Geforce/VIA drivers last night and upp'd my framerate by around 25%.

Heheheh.

-vlkn- in.

[lasse]

Thanks for all the advices, lots of interesting stuff here.

I am gonna buy tha ASUS V6800 Geforce 256 DDRam, that is 100%.

And as I said earlier I was almost shure I was going for AMD, but now I am even more in doubt what to do  

But I has learned one thing so far, If I get an AMD it HAS to be on a VIA motherboard, right ?
But is there a VIA chipset for Intel too?

Is there any of you guys that actually has a 733\750\800\850 AMD on a VIA motherboard with a GeForce DDR, and if so, what are your FPS in 1600x1200 ?
With a 21" Monitor with a 30" Fresnel lens, that is the only resolution I use.



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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
lasse-

[humble]

Wow, lot of good stuf here. My 2 cents not much different. I don't work in puter bz but can have anything I want (35 workstation,6 servers in my bz) in fact my old AMD 450 k-2 is sitting here as my work station. I recently (well not in puter time) upgraded to P3 500 on 820 board (only intel avail then) with a 3D prophet.

As a long time AMD fan I'm glad to see that they've finally "arrived" but I've held of on pulling trigger on the K-7. Based on what I see/hear the P3+ is close to the K-7 in performance and the pricing is pretty close.

If your using the computer for other games then I'd buy the best rig for the $'s treating the CPU's as equals...BUT...if your building a AH specific system then anything beyond a 600 is a waste in either flavor. I think that over the next year some truely serious upgrades will be made..what for I dont know  .. .

Till then your extra horses wont show in AH. With the $ multiplier you gain each month you'd get double the power for same $$'s after christmas.

[Karnak]

Lasse, yes there is a Via chipset for Intel that uses PC133 RAM, but I haven't heard really good things about its performance.  To my knowledge, the Intel BX chipset is still the best bet for Intel chips.

If you get an Athlon (which I recomend, but if you wait a week I'll be able to tell you what my roommate and another friend's experience is) get a board with the Via KX133 chipset (which both of them did).

Vulcan, my handle is Karnak.  Sisu is a finnish word which means roughly, "what must be done, will be, reguardless of the cost".  

Sisu

[Vermillion]

Lasse, I am running an Athlon 700 on a Epox EP-7KXA motherboard (KX133 chipset), with a Guillemont 3D Prophet SDR card.

And no, none of the system is really optimized on my computer yet (ie no tweaking) since I've only had it a week.

You guys keep comparing broad ranges of framerates (ie people saying "I get xx's fps") without any consistent way to compare.

Without a standard test method, your comparisons aren't very accurate.

Me? I typically run my system in 1024x768 in 32 bit color.

I get anywhere from the high 40's in most cockpit views right over a busy airfield, to more typical 50's and 60's elsewhere. Hell, I could legitamately claim I get 100fps, at least when I look straight up.

So take that as you will   Me I will wait til someone developes a consistent accurate fps load test (like in WB's) before I will feel comfortable in comparing systems.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Desperately trying to figure out why Kamikaze Pilots wore helmets"

[Vulcan]

Karnak sorry bout the handle thing dude...

I have one of those new VIA boards and it rocks. The only situation where the BX beats it is if the BX is seriously overclocked (ie, run at 133Mhz). Unfortunately this also means overclocked the AGP bus to 89Mhz. The BX also doesn't have Ultra DMA66 (yes the VIA does have it despite what some sites say) and 4X AGP.

So when I did my upgrade, the choice was keep my BX board, use PC133 RAM, overclock the board and AGP card.

Instead I went the VIA way and it rocks, it is very very fast. You must have the latest VIA drivers installed to see the performance.

But: I have hit a snag, 32bit mode on AH goes to pieces, gets all jerky etc. Its very wierd. Nothing else has this problem.

-vlkn- in.