Author Topic: can someone explain "the rope to" me? (Read 1195 times)

octospider0 · « **on:** August 16, 2004, 07:01:37 PM »

I hear about this move alot and for all I know I am doing it, but can I get some defination from you guys as to what exactly it is.

Thanks

Odi

phookat · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:06:01 PM »

Climbing up, getting the guy to follow you and stall out, then diving back down on him while he's slow and has no control.

Murdr · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:07:11 PM »

The basic premiss of a rope manouver is to entice an enemy with a lower E state into following you vertical, to get him to stall underneath you. Then you shoot him while he is helpless in the stall.

There are many scenerios and many vairiations on how to do it successfully, but that is the basic definiation.

dang phookat, ya beat me to it while i was typing

SOB · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:10:10 PM »

I heard it's super gamey...especially if you're suckered into it one too many times.

Murdr · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:13:20 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
I heard it's super gamey...especially if you're suckered into it one too many times.

I have an interview on tape here somewhere of a P51 pilot describing roping a 109. While he didnt call it a "rope" thats what it was. Was he being gamey?

GScholz · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:14:56 PM »

"The Rope" manoeuvre is the general term for when you trick someone to following you in a vertical climb. You yourself do not necessarily have to kill him, and he does not necessarily have to stall before you, but the point can be simply to get him slow and in the vertical so your buddy can zoom in and kill him for you. Roping is the favoured manoeuvre of experienced P-38 and 109 pilots.

Rope them ... and then hang them with it.

GScholz · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:16:49 PM »

Murdr, I think you missed SOB's sarcasm.

Arlo · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:18:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
I have an interview on tape here somewhere of a P51 pilot describing roping a 109. While he didnt call it a "rope" thats what it was. Was he being gamey?

SOB forgot to use the sarcasm tags ... or did he? Heh

Murdr · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:20:46 PM »

Hehe, yea. Went over my head the first time, till I re-read it. Oh well

I was gonna edit in a remark to that effect, but I figured, never mind somone is probably already typing away about it

Grits · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:23:48 PM »

What they said, and to add that if you do it perfectly (I rarely do) you will not stall at the top, but rather come over the top just over your stall so that you still have control. Ideally the rope victim will come over the top in a stall while you are on the way down, and in the perfect setup, they will be flopping around helpless with their belly showing.

It can be done to any plane in any plane, but the good zoomers obviously do it better.

Murdr · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:28:57 PM »

I consider 'perfectly' to be his nose starting to drop just as I face him. But thats me.

I do remember after a recent rope. I ch200 "Need a rope? Here use mine." The reply I got was "I was gonna ~~ya, but never mind"~~

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:42:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
I consider 'perfectly' to be his nose starting to drop just as I face him. But thats me.

that sounds perfect to me Murdr

KurtVW · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:44:40 PM »

And we've got some real subtle ropers out there... I think Yawz (or Yaws) knows no other manuver. But he has that once so nicely worked out. He suckered me in MA about 3 weeks ago by flying his 109 just barely climbing for about 30 seconds as I was diving to him in a less powerful plane, then he very slowly increased the angle... Just till I couldn't see horizon...

and he let it sit there for a while, then gently he eased it steeper and I never saw it coming.

It was really well done. And it ticked me off in the worst way.

I have become very aware of the rope since I saw that handy work. I don't think I'll be falling for it anymore.

octospider0 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:54:51 PM »

ok got it now, damm! ive been lead into that more then a few times.

Thanks

Odi

thrila · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2004, 08:03:21 PM »

The rope is one of my favourite moves.