Author Topic: The Nitty Gritty (Read 2413 times)

Ironblade · « **Reply #30 on:** August 18, 2004, 11:19:28 AM »

Salute All
I agree that is why im a rook and for me there had to be more to the game then just furballing I wanted more out of the game as well as like minded rooks to use all aspects of the game thats why last sunday you still saw over 219 rooks in the MA still same squads working together for a common goal we were a little slower and diorganized due to switching to new aircraft but it only slowed us down we will regroup get better with the plane limitation and come back at you thats why I think the plane limiting in the long run wont work?

muckmaw · « **Reply #31 on:** August 18, 2004, 11:33:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
uhhh the RJO thingy isn't every sunday, or even on sundays.

what's "structured" about a horde? i don't see organizational tactics such as base cap, interdiction (air superiority for inbounds from other bases), or even ususally well defended goons.

just because a large group of people agree to "fly to such and such base" doesn't make it structured.

So then when is it?

What's ironblade talking about?

Shane · « **Reply #32 on:** August 18, 2004, 01:08:39 PM »

apparently it's variable.

ironblade is talking about the "habit" of many rook squads having their squad nights on sunday (in part because the RJO was at one point on sundays) and steamrolling the arena thru sheer numbers. considering he's pretty much a relative noob, it's his "safe haven" - to fly in a horde and feel like he's contrubuting. nothing wrong with that per se, but... yanno?

hardly "organized" more like a flash mob - if that's what i remember them being called in which a buncha cell phone users would all converge on a location then disperse - without any true purpose.

Zanth · « **Reply #33 on:** August 18, 2004, 01:21:30 PM »

Shane beat me to it.

Adogg · « **Reply #34 on:** August 18, 2004, 02:22:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Well there was some great cameraderie and teamwork today from the Bish. Even with the ENV limiter.

Yeah that was fun. I got in on one of the resets. What a blast. In my 8 month online I've never experienced one (maybe cause I'm a bish?)

I'll take issue with your statement about the inferiority of the planes: there is NOTHING inferior about my F6F-5....other than the pilot of course!!!

NoBaddy · « **Reply #35 on:** August 18, 2004, 02:51:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
So, in essence you are saying that the majority of players are playing for the capture aspect and that`s what they find enjoyable? Then you are saying to take away what the majority enjoys? Yea, that makes sense. lol

Jackal...

You might wanna get those glasses cleaned

. The essence of what I said is exactly what I said..."The solution may be to alter the game so that it is less about conquest and more about combat. " In no shape or form do I suggest taking the landgrab out of the game. BTW, I never used the world "majority" either.

Shane...

Thanks for the clear and concise read on what I posted

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Originally posted by hitech

NB: I agree that the system could change peoples playing style.

But why would it be different from 1 country to the next, or why would it create a country imbalance?

HT...

Possibly because people of like mind began to gravitate to the country that was showing the most organization. (any psychologists out there???) What I am saying is that I believe that having a perk bonus for resets could tend to mute the boredom factor that might normally balance the game over a period of time. Think about it in terms of dogs...(no, I am not implying that anyone is a dog here

). If you feed a stray dog, he will keep coming back. Even in a situation that might be bad for the dog, he would keep coming back as long as you "reward" him. I am NOT suggesting that field captures and resets be removed from the game. AH has an excellent conquest system, especially in comparison to its predecessors.

Slap...

While I like the balanced arena odds I have seen lately, I am against forcing anyone to switch countries. My motives here are purely selfish, I don't wanna have to figure out who I can count on in a pinch

. I am also not machiavellian enough to believe that the ends justify the means. Hopefully, some alternative will be forthcoming.

Grimm · « **Reply #36 on:** August 18, 2004, 03:03:21 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Maybe people like playing for the rooks because they organzie that RJO thing every sunday

I hate to keep saying this but RJOs and Sundays are two different things.

Sundays have a majority of Rook Squadnights.

RJOs happen about 1 a month and are on anynight.

I do think the RJOs have created a strong bond between Rook Squads and Players. It does create cooperation between squads at any given time. I like to think it made things more fun for most Rooks.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 18, 2004, 03:08:37 PM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Jackal...

You might wanna get those glasses cleaned . The essence of what I said is exactly what I said..."The solution may be to alter the game so that it is less about conquest and more about combat. " In no shape or form do I suggest taking the landgrab out of the game. BTW, I never used the world "majority" either.

Reword it anyway you wish, but it still comes out to the same thing. OK, I`ll say it again ...majority. Now check Your bifocals.

Ironblade · « **Reply #38 on:** August 18, 2004, 03:41:33 PM »

Salute All
Realtive Newb when do you get senority here...lol ive been here 2 or 3 years now lost count:} and you ferballers who dont want to work in a squad enviroment why dont you just go to the dueling arena?but you guys cant understand why we rooks stay together and have such comradier is it that much a mystery we seem to know and are things that bad in the bish and knight camps you cant keep the #"s seems the problem is with the bish and knight camps to me? you guys cant ralley enough players?
but all im saying is only time will tell ! why dont we get rid of the 3 countrys then and just have 2 the 3 country theory seems to have failed?hope this works out and hope you all get kills happy hunting.

Hajo · « **Reply #39 on:** August 18, 2004, 04:00:10 PM »

Problem is (imho) that some take this wayyyyyyyyy to seriously.

It's a game.....look up game in a dictionary.

Our old squad (the Flying Circus) split last year. Some went Rooks, some stayed Bish. Thus the Old Turks was started from remnants of The Flying Circus who stayed Bish. The Flying Circus kept the name as they rotated Rook. All stayed friends however, we talked on the phone, emailed regularly no matter which side one was on. Never took it personal.

Now.....we're all together (mostly) as Bish again flying under The Old Turks logo.

We have no squad night.....we wing together when on. When most of us are on together we tend to defend a lot more then get in on base capture. None care about score, or Perk Points.
Hell.......some of us have 9k.10K and over. Don't really use them.
Some never get in a gv.......or a bomber.....those that do do it a small number of times generally.

I don't recall anyone from this squad posting on the numbers deficit on the BBS. Really don't care about numbers. Just having fun.

Very few of us fly the so called "uber" aircraft....why? Heck I don't know.

But.....what I would derive from reading the above is this.

We take it for face value....for what AH really is. A Venue to have fun and interact amongst ourselves and the Community. Whatever our scores or ranking may be....they fall there naturally, without anyone trying as a goal to be the best or whatever.

Maybe....we just play to have fun and let the chips fall where they may.

As I said above I think some take this combat flight sim (game) the best one available to the world at this time, way to seriously.

If one is concerned about numbers, what type of aircraft is available for you to "fly", and your score...maybe one ought to step back and see what really is important, and what is not.

If you're not having fun because of numbers, aircraft etc. You miss the point of playing AH.

Charon · « **Reply #40 on:** August 18, 2004, 04:49:45 PM »

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IMO, it can be traced back to the landgrab concept of gameplay. For too many, this has become the main focus of the game. Heck, for some, it is the ONLY focus of the game.

You saw much of the same behavior in the last days of AW on Gamestorm. That's why I came to AH in the first place, to find gameplay more like the SVGA days.

The main difference there was that the map was so huge, and with no resets, that the total country numbers imbalance wasn't as much of an issue as the "local" numbers imbalance. With this, each country would find an isolated sector of the map, concentrate of jabo/capture points and move to a safer area if any oppostion really developed. That would be 90 percent of the people on line, each in a corner fighting some small handful of defenders.

I think ego has much to do with it. It sucks to get killed by a real human - maybe get killed far more than you kill for up to a year. Get totally spanked. This isn't Quake where the actuall fighting process is easy to grasp (you just need to develop a better eye and reflexes mainly to improve after that).

In a smaller community, and one focused on the "fight" you tend to be more pressured to become better and be one of the "experten." In a larger community with other options, the path of least resistance can help shortcut that learning curve. You may die killing that hanger in a screaming dive at 500 mph -- but you still scored one for the team. etc.

As for the imbalance here... more of the same. You don't die as much when you have 10 friends around you. It's easier to kill stuff, on the ground or in the air, when you have those odds. You may not kill as often, but you can get some kills at least without having to know much ACM and at less risk to the ego. If your whole country has odds it's easier to "win" the reset -- which is the path of least resistance goal of the game for many and not "if I can become good enough to beat (Shane, Todd, Drex) I will have arrived..."

Path of least resistance, IMO.

Charon

NoBaddy · « **Reply #41 on:** August 18, 2004, 05:13:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
Reword it anyway you wish, but it still comes out to the same thing. OK, I`ll say it again ...majority. Now check Your bifocals.

Jackal...

What reword:confused: That is an exact quote of what I posted. No where do I mention taking ANYTHING away from ANYONE . No where did I use the word "majority", nor did I imply that the majority of players were in favor of landgrab. Your reading comprehension skills do seem a bit lacking. Fortunately, HT's seem to be a bet better (sometimes

).

kj714 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 18, 2004, 05:28:00 PM »

"Path of least resistance, IMO.

Charon"

I think thats certainly a bigger contributing factor, leading to a grouping of some players together.

DrDea · « **Reply #43 on:** August 18, 2004, 05:35:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Zanth
And your squad moving to rook helped how? This is why Hitech had to do something. When not even seeming smart and reasonable people like you fellows can be counted on to do "the right thing", there is no alternative.

Ya know what Zanth thats just totally wrong.He STATED his squad moved to rooks when the rooks were outnumbered.Much Like the Flying Ciurcus did.Ya see SOME squads tried to change the imbalance on there own.We didnt NEED this to try to fix the problems.

Kev367th · « **Reply #44 on:** August 18, 2004, 05:42:13 PM »

I keep hearing about how Rooks got their stuff together when they were outnumbered and hence the spirit, RJO's, squads winging etc. As my original post said at the same time this was happening Knit and Bish squads went to the Rooks to try to help balance the arena. Was done voluntarily, because in the best of interests of EVERYONE.
And yes I do believe I can voice an opinion as ours was ones of the many squads who made the change, along with the AKs and lots of others.

No matter what reasons or opinions you can state for this spirit, does not detract from the fact that this happened. Unless of course you think you still could have pulled things around without these many squads coming over to you.

Quite frankly if you stay Rook, fine. If you weren't prepared to help the game out voluntarily theres little chance that this change is going to change your mind.

Actually HT I have a good idea why it hasn't happened and I believe a lot of the vets have also. Just think it's a question of who will say it first, but I think under the new rules it would be considered inciting or something along those lines.