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Offline bozon

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Re: What is the future for Europe?
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2004, 03:14:24 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Just saw on CNN.
A new study predicts that the worlds polulation will go up by 45% by 2050..
Asia will increase by 39%.
The  USA alone will increase by 43%.
Europe will decrease by 8%.

What is Europe going to do with such a dramatically declining population? This will tremendously affect your relevance inn the world. As I was born in Europe and will always feel a great attachment to my old home, I'm quite worried..

1. it's CNN, don't really belive these numbers. these news channels report first and check later. I don't need CNN to know the trend is true.

2. "Asia will increase by 39%." Asia is the world population. If you had a one united mixed world like in star trek, you'll have most of the crew hindu and chinese with one white guy, one black guy and one freak for the minorities to identify with. Not like they have now.

3. "Europe will decrease by 8%." If only the rest of the world followed that example. That's one thing europe is doing right.

"One last time. Europe consist of individual nations. Do not mix EU with Europe."
lol, you have to be carefull with these guys national pride :)

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Re: Re: What is the future for Europe?
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2004, 03:21:53 AM »
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"One last time. Europe consist of individual nations. Do not mix EU with Europe."
lol, you have to be carefull with these guys national pride :)

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hehe, i hope it didnt come out the wrong way, but claiming that europe is "one" is like saying that asia is one country :D

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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2004, 04:38:23 AM »
g'morning

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
As a whole your poulation is rapidly declining, which is
going to be a huge problem to your relevance in the world.

What do you think about that? Or are you just trying t0o
change the subject and ignore the issue?


I dont know where u see a "huge problem",
where did CNN get that info from ? and i doubt you
read my link above (use a translator if you dont understand it).
I believe in a possible great future for Europe, similar how Jeremy Ripotato peelins see it:

"In his newest book, The European Dream: How Europe’s Vision of the
Future is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, Mr. Ripotato peelin argues
that while the great American Dream is fading, a powerful new
European Dream is beginning to capture the attention and imagination
of the world.  The nascent European Dream, says Ripotato peelin, is, in many
respects, the mirror opposite of the American Dream, but far better
suited to meet the challenges of a globalizing society in the
21st century.  Ripotato peelin draws on more than twenty years of personal
experience working in Europe, where he has advised heads of state
and political parties, consulted with Europe’s leading companies,
and helped spur grass-roots, environmental, and social justice campaigns."

The Foundation on Economic Trends

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Re: What is the future for Europe?
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2004, 05:08:03 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
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Europe will decrease by 8%.
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Mmmph...if the Bermuda Islands had been kept in the Commonwealth, they would still be part of Europe right now and thanks to Curval's magic powers the figure would be close to +20%...
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2004, 05:29:14 AM »
If Europe decrease with 8 % it would be good for the world, its already to overpopulated, guess Europeans have understood somthing and doing somthing with it :) (yeah I know thats bl****)

Lots of reasons and the easy one is that it cost to much to get childs these days, and for not saying the Days still only got 24 hours vs the workload and effectivitiness is growing. That means less time to spend with the childs, witch every human beeing know is bad for a child, they need their parents around for atleast some hours not only when they sleep.
Well what do I know just a tough.
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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2004, 05:46:42 AM »
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Originally posted by airguard
If Europe decrease with 8 % it would be good for the world, its already to overpopulated, guess Europeans have understood somthing and doing somthing with it :) (yeah I know thats bl****)

Lots of reasons and the easy one is that it cost to much to get childs these days, and for not saying the Days still only got 24 hours vs the workload and effectivitiness is growing. That means less time to spend with the childs, witch every human beeing know is bad for a child, they need their parents around for atleast some hours not only when they sleep.
Well what do I know just a tough.


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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2004, 07:05:11 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2004, 08:08:48 AM »
Listen Saw,
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2004, 09:14:41 AM »
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Dont worry, read a book written thousands of years ago ,It will tell ya all about it. 50 years from now,well I dont know for sure ,but I suspect we wont have to worry about that either.

Heh, you know something nobody else does? Like maybe the date of the second-coming?

edit: you are talking the Bible, aren't ya? If not that, what?

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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2004, 09:20:42 AM »
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
g'morning

 

I dont know where u see a "huge problem",
where did CNN get that info from ? and i doubt you
read my http://www.3sat.de/kulturzeit/lesezeit/69283/]link[/URL] above (use a translator if you dont understand it).
I believe in a possible great future for Europe, similar how Jeremy Ripotato peelins see it:

"In his newest book, The European Dream: How Europe’s Vision of the
Future is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, Mr. Ripotato peelin argues
that while the great American Dream is fading, a powerful new
European Dream is beginning to capture the attention and imagination
of the world.  The nascent European Dream, says Ripotato peelin, is, in many
respects, the mirror opposite of the American Dream, but far better
suited to meet the challenges of a globalizing society in the
21st century.  Ripotato peelin draws on more than twenty years of personal
experience working in Europe, where he has advised heads of state
and political parties, consulted with Europe’s leading companies,
and helped spur grass-roots, environmental, and social justice campaigns."

The Foundation on Economic Trends

R
Gh0stFT


I read a lot about Ripotato peelin's book and his idea of Europe's dream.

Here's my take on it. BTW why arent you all offended by his use of the general term "Europe?"

1) Will be difficult to pay for all those fancy euro style social welfare and leisure programs with a stagnant  or shrinking population especially as Europe's poulations are going to age and get out of the workforce and dont pay all those fat taxes any more.

2) Sometime between now and 2050 Europe as a whole will have to pay a lot more for it's self defense. The cold war will be long over and the USA will not be subsidizing your defense with huge US troop presence. We are seeing the beggining of this now with Bush's troop movement idea. More money for defense means less money for fancy euro socialism.

3) Worldwide economic growth, especially in asia (China and India) will make the world much more competitive and will orient world economic activity towards the Pacific ocean, away from Europe.

4) Mid east oil prices will rise dramatically as China and India grow and suck in that oil. This is devestating for Euro econ as you guys get most of your oil from the ME - far more in fact thatn the USA.

5) European poulations are ageing, this is simply a problem no matter how you spin it.

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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2004, 10:14:53 AM »
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I read a lot about Ripotato peelin's book and his idea of Europe's dream.

Here's my take on it. BTW why arent you all offended by his use of the general term "Europe?"

1) Will be difficult to pay for all those fancy euro style social welfare and leisure programs with a stagnant  or shrinking population especially as Europe's poulations are going to age and get out of the workforce and dont pay all those fat taxes any more.

2) Sometime between now and 2050 Europe as a whole will have to pay a lot more for it's self defense. The cold war will be long over and the USA will not be subsidizing your defense with huge US troop presence. We are seeing the beggining of this now with Bush's troop movement idea. More money for defense means less money for fancy euro socialism.

3) Worldwide economic growth, especially in asia (China and India) will make the world much more competitive and will orient world economic activity towards the Pacific ocean, away from Europe.

4) Mid east oil prices will rise dramatically as China and India grow and suck in that oil. This is devestating for Euro econ as you guys get most of your oil from the ME - far more in fact thatn the USA.

5) European poulations are ageing, this is simply a problem no matter how you spin it.


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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2004, 10:45:35 AM »
What is the future for Europe..?

Himmmmm?   I see seven good years.....   followed by seven bad years....  and then.....,  and then...  Aaah..  it's hard to say but I think a Motorcycle Gang moves on next door....  That's parts a little fuzzy,,,,

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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2004, 11:18:38 AM »
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4) Mid east oil prices will rise dramatically as China and India grow and suck in that oil. This is devestating for Euro econ as you guys get most of your oil from the ME - far more in fact thatn the USA.


Why is that a factor?

You think the Venezualens will continue selling oil to the US for $40 a barrel when the European, Indians or Chinese will pay $60?

The oil price goes up in line with supply/demand. It goes up for everyone at the same rate.

Witness the $47 a barrel in the US markets now.

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« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2004, 11:24:21 AM »
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I  also wonder where saturation point is: the UK has a total population of just under 60 million, in an area smaller than many US states.


Saturation point is here - take any page out of a UK road atlas and overlay it on a page from say - Wyoming - of the same scale and see the road density.  I'm finding I dislike 9 out of 10 people I see on the street just on sight.  Rat cage syndrome............

And it's going to go up by how much ??? and from immigration and breeding immigrant's - I'm so pleased to be here :rolleyes:

If any of you americans who haven't been to the UK want to see what a crowded country sounds like tune in to BBC Radio 2 on the net on a Friday afternoon (UK time) with a map of the country next to you and listen to the traffic report.  Highlight all roads mentioned with jams ....................  will be a colourful piece of paper.

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« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2004, 11:26:53 AM »
In 46 years there will be a robot in each home there will be 20foot mecha running rampage through the streets with 50mm cannons and jumpacks and  lil midgets cleaning them and then you'll see the Japanese invade San Francisco in their Mecha annexing it to their empire and they'll soon turn gay , and the US won't do anything they'll be  too busy with reproduction,and besides no one cares.  
Finally,  I'll get to fly a mecha even at my old age,or get crushed by one, but so will many,as they will replace the SUVs of today.

And as for source of energy the world will stop pumping fosil based fuels, and instead fish  Large whales and breed them and gut them for their oil,itr'll be a new world with biodegradable  fuel form whales  :D
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