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Offline Midnight

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« on: August 17, 2004, 09:27:05 PM »
All of this arguing over the number system has clouded my mind. An email disscussion with my squadmates about the entire 412th pulling accounts has made me realize what the problem really is.

Where is TOD? It's been almost 2 years since the con where HTC told us about what the new AHII would have "Tour of Duty"

MA Gameplay has declined and just continues to get worse and worse. There are almost no strategic elements left now, so the only way to win has become to overwhelm the enemy with superior numbers. All of that has promoted the gangbanging and giant number inbalances.

Just adding new aircraft and vehicles for 2.01 is not going to change how the MA works. It's still going to be a giant furball of fighters and GVs. From what we've heard so far, nothing will change in the basic gameplay concept.

If you ask me now, the best way to fix the number inbalance is to give us something new in gameplay. Endless furballs that cannot be won get boring after a while.

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2004, 10:17:23 PM »
Seconded.  Bring on the TOD.

TOD is the only thing that will get me to resub.  MA gameplay got so boring for me that I didn't play for about 3 months before I finally pulled my sub.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2004, 10:43:56 PM »
If i remember right there is no Rook/Bishop/Knight or squad orientated gameplay?
Guess we won't see any Rooks there because of their country loyalty.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2004, 10:58:33 PM »
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If i remember right there is no Rook/Bishop/Knight or squad orientated gameplay?
Guess we won't see any Rooks there because of their country loyalty.


You may not see many lone-ranger type furballers from ANY country in ToD. But you will see plenty of squad oriented types from every country (including Rooks) in the ToD. It's what many of us were looking forward to in AH2. HTC has obviously been very busy with the flight model, a couple of new planes, terrain rebuilding of pre-existing maps and graphics texture loading issues to quite be able to address that.

Soon hopefully.

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2004, 11:04:12 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2004, 11:12:05 PM »
Yes HTC,  i dont usually ask for much,  but how about some TOD info here?

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2004, 11:54:42 PM »
I'm VERY curious about tour of duty, I hope it turns out to be everything (and more) that some of you believe it will be. Personally I think you have a couple of developmental problems that may be tough to crack.

The easiest to spot is the "launch cycle"...people dont want to wait here...wow...how you solve that in TOD.

The human (in my case wife,kids,real world) factor, here you just "bail"...it's a problem in scenarios and will certainly be an issue (minor probably) in TOD

The shear boredom involved in a "real time" simulation. It's a major issue for the scenarios (IMO) and will be here...fly 30 minutes before you get to a fight?? (just guessing).

Finally look at the learning curve for a newbie, he waits for a mission...flys his hop, dies quickly and....zzzzzzzzzzz.

Anyone who's been the first to fall in a scenario or KOTH knows the feeling...AARRRGGHHHH. I just hope TOD doesnt stand for Tons Of Dullness....

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2004, 12:01:37 AM »
Noobs would be better off going to the Main before the Tod so they can learn faster and fly all sorts of planes in all ways:aok
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2004, 12:18:25 AM »
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Noobs would be better off going to the Main before the Tod so they can learn faster and fly all sorts of planes in all ways:aok


Ahhh, but as we have seen many many do not fly more than 1-2 planes, do not learn the rest, and have no desire to do so. Ironicly, these same folks are clamoring for ToD, which by definition will require that they know many planes intimately.

Lets say your squad is an "Historic" P-51D squad. What do you do from '42-'44 before the USAAF gets the '51? If you were smart, you would be learning the P-40E and the P-47D-11 now so you will be ready in ToD. Oh, but your an Historic P-51D squad, you dont even fly the P-51B, much less the P-40 or P-47.

Personally, I'm with Humble on this one. I'm not wishing for ToD to fail, I wish HT the best of luck, but I dont see it being a huge success for the reasons humble noted.

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2004, 12:26:22 AM »
Im not going ot ask wherer it is or demand its immediate arrival.

But I am asking  if we can at least  get a staus report on TOD?
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2004, 01:50:52 AM »
What is TOD?

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2004, 02:30:56 AM »
A backward DOT.......................... ...TOD, Tour of Duty (I think.)

Will TOD be run concurrently with the MA?  I cant see TOD surviving longer than 2 weeks if it is.  Im all for TOD.  I think the game element needs something badly to spice it up again, but I would think judging from past BBS comments and the numbers played in the other arenas that TOD with the MA at its side will surely die and unwarrented, untried death.

Give it a fair go. Let it run alone.  Is the community ready for that?

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2004, 02:47:10 AM »
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Give it a fair go. Let it run alone.  Is the community ready for that?

No I don't think HT would do that, at least I hope not.

I believe it will be a seperate arena. It will be similar to a boxed game with missions part players / part AI. It will be more of a rollplaying A2A game with more emersion. A progressing career for YOU the pilot.

Then again I may be completely wrong. ;)

I would like to hear an update / estimated time for release also.

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2004, 07:32:39 AM »
"I would like to hear an update / estimated time for release also."


 I'd like to add an "aye_shrecking_men" to that suggestion.

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2004, 07:51:40 AM »
Two Weeks