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A day in "ROOKDOM"
« on: August 19, 2004, 10:58:15 AM »
Sign back up and the game "assigns me" to ROOKS:eek: ...which also happened to be side with highest numbers at the time (kind of suprised at that). Anyway I decided to fly a couple hops...

Naturally went to base being pounded....my FM-2 was reduced to a "blue light special on Isle 3" before I could even get the tail wheel up...gee not much different than being a Knight:D I thought.

Anyway, decide once is enough and move over to next base and grab a 109 G-2....

1st thing I notice is the full dial is "spinning" I mean I can SEE it moving (gonna take some getting used to)....as I climb out I point to the mid point between enemy base and capped field....now...
I'm hereing and seeing (text) alot more info than I was used to as a Knight. As I climb out to an "operational alt"...usually 12k or so for me...I see some dot's...call em out...wow...actually get a response...close on in to Identify 3 190's a jug and a lower spitty...as I'm perusing my options one of the 190's forces my hand...as I reorient and fly the "merge" I start to look around and update the SA....AND...there's a friggin voice in my ear telling me whats happening and giving me options and info (all good:aok )...its cobra412...anyway he clears my 6 as I try and engage the spitty...which breaks...back to help cobra and then back to the capped field...pick up a couple of scalps and fall to a hog as I'm trying to help clear the vulch cap (even a 6 call there)...

As a "single" I'll move to the lowest #'d side while we work thru the #'s issues...but make no mistake if most of the rooks are like the guys I flew with last night they got their #$% wired tight. <<>> :aok

(added at edit) BTW it was great to see and fly (kind of) with the 327th Steel Talons (my old AW squad) a great bunch of guys and from what I saw last night a big part of the ROOK mashing machine:aok :aok :aok
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Re: A day in "ROOKDOM"
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2004, 11:14:47 AM »
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Originally posted by humble
Sign back up and the game "assigns me" to ROOKS:eek: ...which also happened to be side with highest numbers at the time (kind of suprised at that). Anyway I decided to fly a couple hops...

Naturally went to base being pounded....my FM-2 was reduced to a "blue light special on Isle 3" before I could even get the tail wheel up...gee not much different than being a Knight:D I thought.

Anyway, decide once is enough and move over to next base and grab a 109 G-2....

1st thing I notice is the full dial is "spinning" I mean I can SEE it moving (gonna take some getting used to)....as I climb out I point to the mid point between enemy base and capped field....now...
I'm hereing and seeing (text) alot more info than I was used to as a Knight. As I climb out to an "operational alt"...usually 12k or so for me...I see some dot's...call em out...wow...actually get a response...close on in to Identify 3 190's a jug and a lower spitty...as I'm perusing my options one of the 190's forces my hand...as I reorient and fly the "merge" I start to look around and update the SA....AND...there's a friggin voice in my ear telling me whats happening and giving me options and info (all good:aok )...its cobra412...anyway he clears my 6 as I try and engage the spitty...which breaks...back to help cobra and then back to the capped field...pick up a couple of scalps the fall to a hog as I'm trying to help clear the vulch cap (even a 6 call there)...

As a "single" I'll move to the lowest #'d side while we work thru the #'s issues...but make no mistake if most of the rooks are like the guys I flew with last night they got their #$% wired tight. <<>> :aok


Yup, I noticed the same thing in reverse. I fly Rooks, but also fly Knights occassionally. It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. I'm Rooks because of all my long-time friends are on Rooks. But, I'd want to be Rooks anyways, numbers or not. You just can't put a price on great teamwork, mutual support and communication, it has a pronounced 'amplification' effect on everyone's performance.

Just the other night I was Knights, helping against a Bishop CV attack. It was me and about 7 Knights, 40dogmaw and some others I recognized. I was doing like I do on Rooks, clearing 6's, calling out new contacts and enemy moves. No one says anything, no one types anything. I begin to wonder if my vox is porked, I ask on range channel if my vox is working. I get the reply, "Nope we hear you fine". I ask, "You guys don't talk much do ya?". The reply, "No, we're just listening to you, thanks for all the information".  Anyways to make a long story short, we made short work of the Bishop's attack, and as is their trademark they quit, with their CV still intact to go fly greener pastures.

I think so many people have never been on Rooks, they are not even sure what good teamwork is. It never occurred to those Knights I was with to communicate, although they appreciated the effect my communication had on our overall success. When Slapshot speaks of Rook comraderie, this communication factor is a HUGE part of that. Why the other countries haven't picked up on that and emulated it to some degree is beyond my comprehension. Surely, those that complain about Rooks, "Coming out of the woodwork" and even Rooks gang-banging must realize this all happens do in great part to the fact we are always communicating, we are always telling each other where we are, where the enemy is (heading, alt and vector) and other basic combat information on range, country and vox.



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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2004, 11:47:34 AM »
Did the doctor perscribe what it is you are on Zazan.. It is common knowledge in Bishland that the ROOKS are easiest kills! In fact some of us have given up hunting Knights this TOD! :rofl
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2004, 12:04:45 PM »
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Did the doctor perscribe what it is you are on Zazan.. It is common knowledge in Bishland that the ROOKS are easiest kills! In fact some of us have given up hunting Knights this TOD! :rofl


Really? Is that a fact? Here's some stats...

Tour 55 (To date):

Bishop Kills of Rooks: 41,616
Rooks Kills of Bishops: 48,720

Bishop K/D vs. Rooks: 0.85 Kills per Death
Rooks K/D vs. Bishops: 1.17 Kills per Death

For comparison:

Bishop Kills of Knights: 40,277
Knight Kills of Bishops: 43,400

Bishop K/D vs. Knights: 0.93 Kills per Death
Knight K/D vs. Bishops: 1.08 Kills per Death

So, you were saying? ;)




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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2004, 12:19:30 PM »
Obviously #'s are a critical element BUT it was pretty easy to see in even 30-45 min of gameplay that the overall communication was MUCH better than what I was used to. In Niggit land we had "Missions" and by and large they were well thought out and run...BUT...I can't tell you how often we'd seem to be dialed in on accomplishing one set of goals and all of a sudden you'd get "big mission in 5 minutes...sigh up" and your stuck 1/2 way to target...often you end up with the current attack/defense fizzling out and the "new attack" taking over...only to be snuff out by a 3rd mission 40 min later.

No experience with the Bisquits yet but as soon as I see them with lowest #'s I'll hop on over...

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Re: Re: A day in "ROOKDOM"
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2004, 12:25:28 PM »
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It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. Zazen


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I may have only been playing for just over a week, but this sounds like complete bull to me. I've been up every night (from btwn 1800 and 1900 until usually around 2200 EDT) as a Knight.

There's plenty of comms and chk 6's etc going on...country channel and voice. No complaints here.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2004, 12:26:34 PM »
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Obviously #'s are a critical element BUT it was pretty easy to see in even 30-45 min of gameplay that the overall communication was MUCH better than what I was used to. In Niggit land we had "Missions" and by and large they were well thought out and run...BUT...I can't tell you how often we'd seem to be dialed in on accomplishing one set of goals and all of a sudden you'd get "big mission in 5 minutes...sigh up" and your stuck 1/2 way to target...often you end up with the current attack/defense fizzling out and the "new attack" taking over...only to be snuff out by a 3rd mission 40 min later.

No experience with the Bisquits yet but as soon as I see them with lowest #'s I'll hop on over...


I'll fly Bishops once in a while to get film of certain people, like Greebo in his F6F for my archives. But, to be honest, I'd rather have a root canal than fly for Bishops. Bishops have no staying power, they get their butts wupped and give-up. That's not really what I'm looking for in teamplay, compound that with poor to non-existant communication and well...you get the idea. I have recommended every Rook spend a week as Bishops then come back, only then will they realise how good they have it as a Rook
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2004, 12:28:47 PM »
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I may have only been playing for just over a week, but this sounds like complete bull to me. I've been up every night (from btwn 1800 and 1900 until usually around 2200 EDT) as a Knight.

There's plenty of comms and chk 6's etc going on...country channel and voice. No complaints here.


I think you caught 'em at a good time. I've been playing for two years now and while I won't say their communication is non-existant it is certainly in short supply.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2004, 12:39:26 PM »
I was at A22 last night.  Sehob, DKPotter and some others were too.  There were constant updates on where the enemy was, what he was, were he was going and warnings if I was threatened.  I gave the same back to others.

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2004, 12:40:19 PM »
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As a "single" I'll move to the lowest #'d side while we work thru the #'s issues...but make no mistake if most of the rooks are like the guys I flew with last night they got their #$% wired tight. <<>> :aok


Yes I'm a rook but im still amazed as how we have all worked as a team these past few weeks.  People have stepped up, taken the initiative and it does show.  I've seen fights over water when its just myself and two other rooks co-alt with 5-6 cons.  Fight em with a little communication, teamwork and some nice flying and we come out 6-0.  Its really nice to see only a few people who don't even know eachother really back up their 6's.

Other countries probably see this same picture on their ends, but for the rooks, its definitely always a challenge.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2004, 12:41:43 PM »
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I was at A22 last night.  Sehob, DKPotter and some others were too.  There were constant updates on where the enemy was, what he was, were he was going and warnings if I was threatened.  I gave the same back to others.

We were all Knights.


It's been 15 hours since I've played Knights, maybe they've improved since then . ;)

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2004, 12:59:13 PM »
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I may have only been playing for just over a week, but this sounds like complete bull to me. I've been up every night (from btwn 1800 and 1900 until usually around 2200 EDT) as a Knight.

There's plenty of comms and chk 6's etc going on...country channel and voice. No complaints here.


I spent 4+ years as a Knight...I will always be a "Knight"...but I'll tell you I've never seen that level of intuitive dialogue. It's not just 6 calls or "local teamwork". Almost every call/request was not just answered but acted on. I flew a 38 "attack" hop after the 109 flight. I knew more about the "lay of the land" inbound without asking a single question than I'd get as a knight with a dozen "Hvy 38 inbound to XXX, 2x1000/10 rckt...what needs TLC".

You could sense that folks were listening and ACTING on what they saw/heard. Trust me...it is different than what your used to. Certainly something I'll take with me when I rotate on out. It's a higher standard than I'm used to (or have provided myself to others) for sure...

A qoute from REDTOP in another thread....

"When I was lone wolfing a bit..I flew with the rooks as well for about a month. It WAS more comraderie. Why this is I have no idea. I was and am a Knight. Not just because of some loyalty but because they were the underdog as were the bish.

I came back to knights as I had more friends here and didn't like the idea of shooting down old squaddies  

I wish I knew how the rooks did it..or what they have that promotes that comraderie. I'll stay knights as long as the squad Im in wants to. If they ever want to change countries then I'm sure we will go wherever we go.

If the Knights could get the same mojo as the Rooks...They would be in my opinion just as if not better than the rooks."
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2004, 01:21:26 PM »
"I wish I knew how the rooks did it..or what they have that promotes that comraderie. "



it started back 3 yrs ago or so when we Rooks were so out numbered all the time .... ( we had to keep a good total SA of the whole arena just to survive the way we did back then )

then came the RJO's (rook joint operations) were we got even more organized and started getting even for all those resets we lived thru in the early days .

I still miss those out numbered days  and stick to flying more late at night when the numbers are close to even .
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2004, 01:36:55 PM »
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I spent 4+ years as a Knight...I will always be a "Knight"...but I'll tell you I've never seen that level of intuitive dialogue. It's not just 6 calls or "local teamwork". Almost every call/request was not just answered but acted on. I flew a 38 "attack" hop after A qoute from REDTOP in another thread....


Oh, I've no doubt about what you said. I just took exception to the way Zaz portrayed the Knights.

And Redtop is wrong...nothing better than shooting down squadmate ;)
(well as long as they aren't a bunch of score-potatos..)

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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2004, 02:02:25 PM »
Flyin' for the rooks is the best.

Last night during squad nite, I found myself in a 1 vs 4 (or 5) at v54 after trying to help a squadie (I was a little late getting there :D)

So, here I am twisting and turning thinking a 2 vs 4 would have been much better, when out of the blue, another rook comes down, telling me to rope and he'll clear my 6.

POW!  my 6 is cleared and the two of us go into a impromptu loose duece and promptly clear the remaing bandits.  The whole time communicating back and forth.

It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know a rook I don't even fly with will come on down and dance in the weeds just to clear a "6".

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