Honest question to the community

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by peregrin
I'm sure you are looking for something else.  



--Peregrine.

But do you understand WHAT I'm looking for? Or do you THINK you know?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by NUTTZ
The day I started carroting her, and once in awhile I potato her.

NUTTZ

LOL, vegetable jokes at the expense of someone's notorious spelling problems.

Much needed levity in a thread that may be too serious.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Urchin
Absolutely.  Lets say I am a huge fan of the P-40B.  Well, even a fool can see that the P-40B is not competitive in an arena full of 1945 planes.  Therefore, you are denying me my right to enjoy the game in a plane I want to fly.

An honest answer. And it is neither correct, nor incorrect. I like it.

However, if the other player enjoys his LA7 just as much as you enjoy your P-40B, is your position fair to him?

[Blooz]

Short and sweet.

In order to take advantage of the new system and be able to fly the planes of your choice it seems we are going to have to overcome the taboo of switching countries.

You want choice? Throw loyalty to the wind.

[Jnuk]

Originally posted by NUTTZ
The day I started carroting her, and once in awhile I potato her.

NUTTZ

lol
had to read it 3 times before i got it though

[airbumba]

Loaded question.

But what you don't like  happens all day everyday.....

They raise my insurance because of all your accidents, why?, to level the field for the insurers.

The gov. taxes me and gives money to poor people...why? , to level the field for the poor.

I pay an extra $30.00 on my car plates because I live in an area with public transportation, ( even tho I took the train to work when I worked in the city)...why? To level the field of public transportation costsand to encourage it's use.

I could go on all day...look around a bit harder and you'll see how many times you do the very thing you're complaining about now, you'll be surprised.

Oh and like paying taxes, you'll get used to it.

BTW,I usually fly older planes and will never have to worry about these things,lol.

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Question:

Do you feel that it is fair and reasonable, and a good idea to remove access to certain features and or planes/vehicles/etc from someone else who is also a customer who pays the same fee as you, while allowing you full and unrestriced access to those things you've taken from him,  thereby diminishing his enjoyment of the game, in order to make your enjoyment greater?


Edit: This is not a question about the perk system, meaning unlimited acces to ALL planes but rather the ENY balance system. [/B]

Your question shows a limited point of reference. Because this has largely affected Rooks to date it is understandable, but still flawed thinking.

You are assuming that a country has an inherent right to outnumber the other 2. What if uneven sides was never part of HT's vision for the game?  

My opinion is HT views his creation as a game of skill, and as a game of skill he wants his victory conditions determined by something other than numbers.

If a fair fight in the MA is HTC's intent for the MA then any side that refuses to follow the rules of the game should absolutely be penalized. Just like any other skill based game with rules and norms.

The only inherent "right" of the AH customer is to log on and get a fair fight.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Urchin
Absolutely.  Lets say I am a huge fan of the P-40B.  Well, even a fool can see that the P-40B is not competitive in an arena full of 1945 planes.  Therefore, you are denying me my right to enjoy the game in a plane I want to fly.

exactly....im the same, but with the 190a5.......(ok ok not as extreme as your example but.....)

[baine1]

Virgil,

This new system has me thinking of the Ayn Rand book "Atlas Shrugged" and its descriptions of a society that tries to level the playing field.
Ol' Ayn was a bit to the right of the right for me, but with this new system I see our steam engine heading into that long suffocating tunnel, all in the name of trying to make things "fair."

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

Do you feel that it is fair and reasonable, and a good idea to remove access to certain features and or planes/vehicles/etc from someone else who is also a customer who pays the same fee as you, while allowing you full and unrestriced access to those things you've taken from him,  thereby diminishing his enjoyment of the game, in order to make your enjoyment greater?

No.  I dont think it is fair that if I belong to a particular country, that I should constistantly find that other paying customers are limiting my access to the games features by choosing to fly with opposing country(s) that decidedly have more people than the other sides.
Now, when that choice is accompanied by a sacrifice of their own access to features....That's Fair.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
An honest answer. And it is neither correct, nor incorrect. I like it.

However, if the other player enjoys his LA7 just as much as you enjoy your P-40B, is your position fair to him?

Well, to be absolutely honest, I don't even know if such a thing is possible.  A lot of American kids grow up (well, the ones that read about WW2 anyway) and hear about the Flying Tigers, find out they flew the P-40 and go WOW that plane is awesome, I want to do that when I grow up!  And a love affair is born.  Or the Mustang, or the Spitfire.  

Perhaps Russian schoolchildren read about VVS aces and their La-7s, but there aren't to many Russians playing this game.  In fact, there is only 1 that I know of, although a couple more post on the BBS.  

So if someone "is in love with the La7", they are in love with it precisely because it is the best plane they can get for free.  If perchance the 190D-9 were modelled to be better than the La7, I can guarantee there'd be a lot more born-again Luftwobbles flying in AH.

Anyway, to get back on track, I feel that in the case where one person is going to be limited, it ought to be the person seeking the most advantage over others.  If it came down to perking the P-40B or the La-7, you might have 1 or 2 guys yelling their heads off about HTC perking their favorite airplane.  If HTC perks the La7, I can guarantee there will be a ****storm that is the mother of all ****storms from people yelling about them perking their "favorite plane".  

To kind of bring that argument into the correct context, here we have an arena with 3 sides.  Each side has their pick of 70-odd planes.  It is assumed (probably a poor assumption, but I'll make it anyway) that people are playing this game to kill other people and "win fights".  There are three ways to "win fights"... you either bring more planes, bring better planes, or bring more better planes.  

In a situation where one side outnumbers the other two sides combined (which admittedly doesn't happen all that often), the small sides simply have no chance.  No fights will be "won" that night for them.  There is simply no way to overcome an opponent who is bringing more of the best planes than you can get.  If your opponent has more planes, you can bring better planes and perhaps even up the fight, and maybe even "win.  If your opponent has better planes, you can try to swamp him with numbers.  In both cases, you at least have a chance to win.  If your opponent is flying the "best" plane (typically a mix of the fastest and most manueverable, i.e 50% la7, 50% spit/nik) and has more planes than you've got, you are screwed.  

Therefore, the side with the most numbers and best toys is implicitly denying the right of the paying customers on the other sides to have fun.  This patch seeks to redress that by seperating the ability to bring overwhelming numbers combined with overwhelming performance.  Got a little long-winded there, and probably some logical errors, but I'm no philiosophy major.  Thats just the way I see it.

[Samiam]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, there was not extreme bias in the question. You either are comfortable with demanding, and willing to demand, that someone else be restricted or penalized at the cost of their enjoyment for your benefit, or you are not. It really is that simple.
 

A. You still don't seem to grasp it is only your own stubborness that is restricting you of anything. You can fly any plane you want at any time you want.

B. Yes, I am completely comfortable with placing the imposition of having to switch teams on people who wish to fly certain planes during certain times of numbers imbalance.

If you choose to view it as having your fun spoiled to enhance mine, well, that just seems like a problem with your personal perspective.

[Flayed1]

YES this is a great system.
  I would have said no if it were only implimented on the rooks or just nits or bish but it is not, everyone at some point has to deal the limitations this new system brings and it is working fine.
At least now when I up in an early war plane I can find a fair fight and even if I'm greatly out numbered I still feel I have a chance.
 When the limiter hits the my country (Bish) I like the chalange of finding another plane to get the job at hand done.

[Darkish]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

Question:

Do you feel that it is fair and reasonable, and a good idea to remove access to certain features and or planes/vehicles/etc from someone else who is also a customer who pays the same fee as you, while allowing you full and unrestriced access to those things you've taken from him,  thereby diminishing his enjoyment of the game, in order to make your enjoyment greater?
[/B]

Yes - the phrase "Greater Good" springs to mind.

[nopoop]

I'm sorry, this is crap. Your arguing semantics here.

My answer is yes.

As a reminder we COULD have an RPS here.

Then a valid question would be..

My fav plane is a late war ride. Is it fair TO ME to have access to it less than a week out of the tour ???

Then my answer would be no, that's not fair.

The degree of whine here over losing a late war ride when choices are available to remedy it is what I find amazing.

Sorry for being so short and combative. My daughters rabbit chewed through my rudder pedals usb cord.

I would like to fly ANYTHING !!

Is that fair ??? HT is STILL TAKING MY MONEY !!

ISN'T THERE A "THE RABBIT RUINED MY PEDALS" CLAUSE ???

I WANT A REFUND !!