Honest question to the community

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No, I do not like the ENY system.  No I don't think it is "fair".

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by hitech
Virgil: I do not belive that is a resonable question. I view it as the same type  question: " When did you stop beeting your wife"


HiTech

You know, the more I think about it, the more I respectfully disagree.

You can't require a simple yes or no answer to "When did you stop beating your wife?" You can answer that question with "I never beat my wife".


Your assumption is that the question I posed forces you to answer negative or it makes you a bad person.

That isn't so.

But it forces you to take a real close look at yourself and think about your answer doesn't it? Or it forces you to work real hard to rationalize your position.

If the question did not raise serious issues about fairness to the person asked, everyone could answer it with yes or no and without a half a page of qualifications and rhetoric.

But so far, no one has been able to answer yes without either rewriting the question, adding a bunch of qualifications and rhetoric, or launching into a sad story about how the other side is being unfair because more people like to fly on that side.  Regardless of anything else, if you can't answer yes without the rest of it, you are rationalizing, and that makes you think.


But in any case, I understand that you felt you had to make some kind of change, and you at least asked first. I can live with the change, it doesn't affect me nearly as much as it affects many others, and I'm not wasting time complaining about it.

Thanks Hitech.

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I still think people are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Hitech didn't put this in place to restrict access to planes, he put it in to balance the numbers.

A lot of people say that the numbers would have balanced themselves out, but there is also the possibility, again I said possibility, that the numbers imbalance could have have got even worse!

Now I haven't flown every night since this has been put into effect, but the nights I have flown the Bish and Rooks seem to have had almost identical numbers, with the Knights still a little behind, but a definite improvement has taken place, and the gameplay, imho, has improved.

My answer would be yes.

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[Samiam]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You pay for the priviledge to log on, no one has ever had a "right" to a "fair" fight. It is probably reasonable to expect somewhat even numbers among the countries, but a fair and even fight has never been a guarantee. It (numerical equality) will occur for periods of time as the numerical superiority pendulum swings back and forth, but is never guaranteed nor is it a right. [/B]

But are you arguing that you do have a "right" to always fly the plane you want for the country you want? That this *should* be a guarantee? I don't recall reading that in the T&C's when I handed over my credit card number either.

But let's say, for the sake of argument, that this should be true: A person's desire to fly the airplane they want to fly, for the country they wish, unrestricted at all times,  trumps all other game priorities. The AH Bill of Individual Rights.

How do you reconcile this with those times when a country has overwhelming numbers and has every enemy base flattened with no FH or at least no opportunity to take-off without getting vulched? Doesn't one person's rights end where they violate anothers?

It's so simple: Pay your money. Log in. Grab an available plane (there are always plenty of purty blue ones available) and have fun.

[phookat]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No.

Ever shoot someone down?  If you have, then you are "willing to make someone else unhappy so you can be happier".

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You are assuming that there is, or for that matter, ever was a RULE, that REQUIRED even sides. If there ever was, I've never seen it. Not here, not in AH I, not in that "other" game, and not in AW. There is no RULE that says a country can't have more players. So no country is breaking a rule, so that is not a valid justification for a penalty.

You pay for the priviledge to log on, no one has ever had a "right" to a "fair" fight. It is probably reasonable to expect somewhat even numbers among the countries, but a fair and even fight has never been a guarantee. It (numerical equality) will occur for periods of time as the numerical superiority pendulum swings back and forth, but is never guaranteed nor is it a right.

There is a rule about balanced play - HTC just made it - its called the ENY limiter.

I left Rooks because I believed fighting from the advantage would not improve my skillset.

So I'm sorry this change just doesn't bother me. I've never been in it for a turkey shoot and pumped up stats.

I actually enjoy the craft and working to get better. I just don't feel any pain or loss of enjoyment from losing La7s and P51D's, I don't need them. Should I feel pity for a numerically superior foe that does?

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, there was not extreme bias in the question. You either are comfortable with demanding, and willing to demand, that someone else be restricted or penalized at the cost of their enjoyment .

Virgil, I havnt made it to the end of this thread, but I can believe you cant see how that question is not loaded. Just common sense
to see that.
Open those eyes man.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You know, the more I think about it, the more I respectfully disagree.

You can't require a simple yes or no answer to "When did you stop beating your wife?" You can answer that question with "I never beat my wife".


Your assumption is that the question I posed forces you to answer negative or it makes you a bad person.

That isn't so.  

But it is. I say YES, it is FAIR to take away someones plane
to get them to make the game more evenly balanced, just as most games in the WORLD are....

and by saying YES to your loaded question makes me out
 to be someone who takes something from someone else to better myself at other peoples expense, not taking into account
the fairness of being triple teamed. How fair is that?

I fly the pee 38  I can hold my own very well in a 1v1
but if its a 2v1 it aint so easy and if its 3v1 its damned near impossible. I think the "new rules" are a good thing.
At least I have a snoballs chance in hell of beating 3 early war models than la7s with 1 cannon kill capacity.


But if you would just equalize the playing field(battlefield)
You would not lose anything. So if you were to be fair about the numbers the rides would fall into place.

You're question is loaded in your favor, to say yes makes me look like a skunk.

[Boozer2]

yes

 I quit beating my wife when she quit drinking to chatfaced oblivion, and any arena with 5 less LA-7 & N1K dweebs is a better arena no matter what the situation

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by phookat
Ever shoot someone down?  If you have, then you are "willing to make someone else unhappy so you can be happier".

WOOT!!:D


beet with his own carrot!

[Swager]

The answer to Zanth's question.


YES!

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by X2Lee
Virgil, I havnt made it to the end of this thread, but I can believe you cant see how that question is not loaded. Just common sense
to see that.
Open those eyes man.

Oh, they are open. And my point has been well proven.

[LtPillur]

Yes. I have no problem with it. If it is intended to help with game play and the frustrations associated with very uneven sides. I too was not able to fly my favorite plane. So I flew a few I never flew before. I died!! But it was fun trying something new.
Oh sorry for the discourse. I really meant to say............

YES.

Peace
Pillur

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by X2Lee
But it is. I say YES, it is FAIR to take away someones plane
to get them to make the game more evenly balanced, just as most games in the WORLD are....

and by saying YES to your loaded question makes me out
 to be someone who takes something from someone else to better myself at other peoples expense, not taking into account
the fairness of being triple teamed. How fair is that?

I fly the pee 38  I can hold my own very well in a 1v1
but if its a 2v1 it aint so easy and if its 3v1 its damned near impossible. I think the "new rules" are a good thing.
At least I have a snoballs chance in hell of beating 3 early war models than la7s with 1 cannon kill capacity.


But if you would just equalize the playing field(battlefield)
You would not lose anything. So if you were to be fair about the numbers the rides would fall into place.

You're question is loaded in your favor, to say yes makes me look like a skunk.

My percentage of P-38 time is likely as high as anyone's except maybe Ack Ack. I flew it in AW, and I fly it here. At least 95% of the time. Tonight I faced two Spits and a P-51 by myself. I lost. It wasn't even close. It was 3 on 1. Big fat hairy deal. I never once thought "I'd like to see someone take their uber rides and see how good they are then". Ten minutes later the odds were even and I got both Spits and pinged up the P-51. It all comes out in the wash.


The ENY balancer doesn't hurt me, when the restriction tops 15, I drag out a TBolt or a Corsair, and I go fight the same odds. I keep telling people that ain't what this is about. The problem is that they have it now, and they like it, and any discussion about it appears to be a threat to them and they can't stand that.

The question isn't in "my favor", it is just a question about people, games, and human nature. If giving a thruthful answer to the question makes you look or feel dirty, then so be it. That is a problem for you to deal with.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by phookat
Ever shoot someone down?  If you have, then you are "willing to make someone else unhappy so you can be happier".

LOL. They chose to fight, I obliged them. And no better than I fly, it could easily have gone the other way.

And your rationalization is invalid. It is a game, and a competition, with the goal of producing a winner and a loser. They chose to take part in said game.