Author Topic: No Russian Tanks (Read 2372 times)

Flyboy · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2004, 07:15:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
"Give us the Uberschturmhumptydoodle Mk 69 300 mm depleted uranium firing hovertank!"

LoL this is going to my sig!

MiloMorai · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2004, 07:31:28 AM »

The Russians received 4252 Shermans (~9% of T-34, T-34/85 production) under Lend/Lease, almost equally split between the 75mm and 76mm models.

Other tanks shipped to Russia:

M3A - 1676
M3A3 - 1386
Valentine - 2394
Cdn Valentine - 1388
Matilda - 1084
Churchull - 301

Heiliger · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2004, 07:54:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
"Give us the Uberschturmhumptydoodle Mk 69 300 mm depleted uranium firing hovertank!"

Got to get me one of them!

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2004, 02:02:30 PM »

Milo the Russian troops at stalingrad hated the shermans. They complained that they had no good armour and made lunch meat for the German Pnzr Mk III's and IV's.

Urchin · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2004, 02:14:30 PM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
The Russians received 4252 Shermans (~9% of T-34, T-34/85 production) under Lend/Lease, almost equally split between the 75mm and 76mm models.

Other tanks shipped to Russia:

M3A - 1676
M3A3 - 1386
Valentine - 2394
Cdn Valentine - 1388
Matilda - 1084
Churchull - 301

See?! Even the Russians wouldn't take the M-8's.

By the way... I'd use the Sherman if it was introduced, just because I'm contrary like that.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2004, 02:34:54 PM »

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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Milo the Russian troops at stalingrad hated the shermans. They complained that they had no good armour and made lunch meat for the German Pnzr Mk III's and IV's.

Ah, but they liked the greater comfort.

Iirc, the Sherman was given to Guard regts. If it was so bad, why give them to elite units? The Russians could not have been that unhappy with the Sherman since it was used right til the end. Correction awaited. Anyways, sure your are not confusing it with the M-3(grave for 7 brothers)?

Only made the post, to show that the Sherman could be in an EF scenario. That was more Shermans than say the KV-1(3015) and IS-2(3854). (includes '45 production)

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** August 21, 2004, 03:10:07 PM »

Clearly the tanks needed most are the Sherman (75mm), Sherman (76mm), T-34/76, T-34/85 and Panther V G. A Firefly Vc wouldn't be bad either.

Personally I'm hoping for a Sherman or T-34. Either of them would be useful in both the MA and CT / scenarios.

Raptor · « **Reply #22 on:** August 21, 2004, 04:44:10 PM »

Shermans were used to support troops. If they ran across tanks they couldnt handle they called in the tank destroyers. Personally I want the sherman next, then a T34 to help even out the sides. But my personal favorite would be the M-18 Hellcat

Karnak · « **Reply #23 on:** August 21, 2004, 04:47:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Raptor01
Shermans were used to support troops. If they ran across tanks they couldnt handle they called in the tank destroyers.

In theory maybe, but in practice? No.

memnon · « **Reply #24 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:37:11 PM »

M4A2 75mm and 76mm Main gun
M4A3 75mm, 76mm, and 105mm Main gun

M4A2 15-76mm (0.59-2.99in) armour**
M4A3 15-100mm (0.59-3.94in) armour**

M4A2 Max road speed 46.4km/h (29mph)*
M4A3 Max road speed 47km/h (29mph)*

T-34/76 76.2mm Main gun

T-34/76 18-60mm (0.71-2.36in) armour**

T34/76 Max road speed 55km/h (34mph)*

* These are not off road numbers so the tank will be slower
** Didn't use degrees of deflection

Just thought some statistic's in this thread would be nice. I will be happy with either.

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 21, 2004, 08:15:11 PM »

Milo im not finished read my book yet so i dont know, but early in the book it mentioned the Tank Brigades hated them out on the open Steppe. The panzer would just park themselves and has a field day on the Sherman's because there Guns couldn't do damage at long range, unlike the German guns. Then also the Fact Stalin was being an Idiot and letting his troops retreat also made it worse. in City fighting in Sure the Shermie was much more useful.

Yes from what i know karnak, all sides did this starting with the Germans. Panzer Division were based on the idea of Supporting infantry in a Lighting war. I really dont know all thatm uch about Russian tanks in Infantry Support, but i would guess it is for Infantry Support.

Sherman's Called in Tank Destroyer's when they Met Tigers and that Kinda Stuff.

Angus · « **Reply #26 on:** August 21, 2004, 08:19:59 PM »

From Karnak:
"Clearly the tanks needed most are the Sherman (75mm), Sherman (76mm), T-34/76, T-34/85 and Panther V G. A Firefly Vc wouldn't be bad either.

Personally I'm hoping for a Sherman or T-34. Either of them would be useful in both the MA and CT / scenarios."

Couldn't agree more. I'd pick the 34 first, just for it's speed basically.

Tilt · « **Reply #27 on:** August 23, 2004, 09:57:54 AM »

My understanding was that the T34 benefited mainly from its suspension and drive system. (despite some thinking that angling the armour was so critical)

At Kursk the T34's often mixed it with the Panzers and Panthers by getting in amongst them at short range and literally out manouvering them whilst maintianing pretty accurate fire. The T34's 76mm did not have the range of the Panther or the ability to to penetrate it at its range limits.

At Bagration the T34's broad tracks were able to cross the Pripet Marshes on rolling roads out flanking the Panzer armies big time.

Latterly they were in big trouble against the Tiger II's however even tho many T34's were then touting the 85mm.

To show the T34 to its most adavantagious AH would need to better link terrain type to GV manouverability. It could go where other tanks could not and could go anywhere else faster and with more manouverability.

Simaril · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2004, 10:22:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Baine
I was thinking we could use a dedicated tank destroyer. Something fast with a big gun and relatively lightly armored.
That would add variety and balance and would be cool for using in shoot and scoot ambushes with this new, busy terrain.
But for sheer historical value, I'd say we need the T-34.
Didn't even the 76 routinely eat panzers for breakfast? The larger gun could be the perk model.
The Sherman, while it's got the fact that it was a widely used US vehicle going for it, has little else to recommend it .

TD with 90mm.. .. yeah, that's the ticket.....

leonid · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2004, 07:54:32 AM »

My two votes would be:

T-34/85 - Roughly comparable to the PzIV, though significantly faster (faster than Shermans too).
IS-II - Comparable to the Panther and Tiger with even better HE.

However, I'd still be happy with a T-34/76. Can't beat the speed of that tank. M4/76s have a good AT cannon and good frontal hull armor, but the Sherman's top speed is nothing to brag about. However, turret speed on a Sherman is hellaciously fast, which could be the deciding factor at point-blank range.

Hell, put all four of them in

leonid