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Offline thebest1

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« on: August 19, 2004, 08:05:28 PM »
I think afew of the russian tanks on this websight (and italian) should be in AH http://www.onwar.com/tanks/
oh and does anyone know when the ki-84 comes out?
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2004, 08:31:53 PM »
You think too little, and your link has so many popups, one can't even read !
T34 to AH !!!!!
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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2004, 07:31:19 AM »
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You think too little, and your link has so many popups, one can't even read !
T34 to AH !!!!!


Angus, you need to get a popup stopper.


A neat sight on the T-34, http://www.gjames.com.au/chris/index.html


Scale models in 1/6 and 1/8 scale.

http://www.gjames.com.au/chris/index.html

Another neat site worth looking at, but for the Tiger 1, http://tiger1.info/
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2004, 12:53:08 PM »
Angus one must use mozilla to get rid of pop ups.


T34=Nik come and get me!

No way to protect itself from the Air.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2004, 01:11:49 PM »
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T34=Nik come and get me!

No way to protect itself from the Air.

That is much less of an issue now that there are terrain obstacles and foliage cover coupled with Patch 8's toughening of armored GVs.

The T-34/85 would be the tank I'd use most, if it were not perked.  I'd have to play with the T-34/76 before I could decide on it.  The T-34/76's gun seems really underpowered.
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2004, 02:30:39 PM »
I have Opera, it will do for the popups.

T34 would definately be used. It's  roughly 10 miles faster than the Panzer, with equal to better firepower. It's small turret is also nicely shaped and hard to hit.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2004, 06:30:21 PM »
Shermie, baby! Think of it as an equalizer for the US planeset (and Russian one, for that matter) overpowering the German one so badly. :D
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2004, 06:58:59 PM »
What does the Sherman have that the Panzer does not?
Unless it's either one of Hobart's amphibs or Brit modded one (longer with a very good AP cannon) I can see nothing.
However, the T34 was a more common tank in WW2 and a very FAST one.
Hell, even the Churchill has a chance, it was modded in so many different ways.
Although slow, there were mortar versions, flamethrower versions, anti mine versions, swamp versions, etc etc, - the first two being the ones useable for AH.
Just wonder what they will bring. My money is on the Sherman, but my wish would be the T34
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2004, 07:33:03 PM »
Sherman would be very useful for scenarios and as a higher ENY tank that wouldn't relegate the high number side to using M-8s against Tigers.  Instead they'd be in the....er....better position of using Shermans against Tigers.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2004, 07:52:50 PM »
At least the Sherman is a TANK, not a green sardine can on wheels.  Kids could throw rocks at M8s and destroy em.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2004, 09:09:30 PM »
I was thinking we could use a dedicated tank destroyer. Something fast with a big gun and relatively lightly armored.
That would add variety and balance and would be cool for using in shoot and scoot ambushes with this new, busy terrain.
But for sheer historical value, I'd say we need the T-34.
Didn't even the 76 routinely eat panzers for breakfast? The larger gun could be the perk model.
The Sherman, while it's got the fact that it was a widely used US vehicle going for it,  has little else to recommend it .
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2004, 09:18:03 PM »
Sherman's merits are not to be highlighted in AH, such as reliability, flexibility, better track range, and not as loud (rubber belts)
....at least not soon.
The Sherman was OK vs the lighter Panzies in the desert, however dreadfully weak (Armour, profile &gun) in the beginning vs the Heavy German Tanks in Northern France.
I do recall some mods of the Sherman with a lengthened tower (I think) and a high velocity gun that equalled everything there was about in the armour piercing business. Maybe AH will feature an early and late Sherman?
Anyway, there were early and late T-34's as well, and some late ones also carried machine guns.
The Brits received some T34's from the Russians, and promptly declared that there was no finer tanks.
Bear in mind the Speed, 10 mph between aircraft already makes some difference, 10 mph between tanks makes a LOT.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2004, 09:22:57 PM »
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What does the Sherman have that the Panzer does not?
Unless it's either one of Hobart's amphibs or Brit modded one (longer with a very good AP cannon) I can see nothing.
However, the T34 was a more common tank in WW2 and a very FAST one.
Hell, even the Churchill has a chance, it was modded in so many different ways.
Although slow, there were mortar versions, flamethrower versions, anti mine versions, swamp versions, etc etc, - the first two being the ones useable for AH.
Just wonder what they will bring. My money is on the Sherman, but my wish would be the T34


You pretty well managed to miss the point of my post entirely, didn't you?

The point: The Sherman being less uber than the Tiger and roughly equivilant to the Panzer (a little less uber, actually) sort of makes up for the supposed disparity between the German planeset and the Allies.

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Nothing needs modeling for the MA - period. Any MA argument of why this or that is a better uber choice is no better than "Give us the B-29!" or "Give us the Uberschturmhumptydoodle Mk 69 300 mm depleted uranium firing hovertank!"

Lots of things need modeling for historical settings ... the Sherman being a really GOOD choice because it was THE prime Allied MBT participant everywhere but the Eastern front. So the "more common tank" argument falls short when it comes to the actual number of events that would benefit from the modeling of the T34 instead of the Sherman. Though I wouldn't mind seeing the 34 modeled as well.

You may also want to research some of the very many mods the Sherman had.

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2004, 05:31:51 AM »
Well, my point is that the T34 has something to add to ALL sides of AH, both MA and Special Scenarios, while the Sherman would less so. Early Sherman= good fore some scenarios, but hangar queen in the MA.
However, the mods of it give it a fair chance, for late war Shermans with the high velocity AP gun could nicely punch a hole into a Tiger.

Sherman - T34....hmmm. Well, the new tank just has to be one of them.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2004, 07:08:51 AM »
I'd vote for T-34
This tank is very fast it's gun could make holes in Tigers front armor. It had very good armor design. It was one of the best tanks of WW2. Yes it can be used only at eastern front but...... it defenatly will be extreemly popular at MA for its suprior perfomance over Panzer.
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