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Offline Gh0stFT

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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2004, 12:43:12 PM »
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Other than Kerry's denial of this groups statements,
has there been any verifiable outside confirmation that either side is lying?


Whats with this Navy Commander  who backs Kerry on Vietnam ?
The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2004, 01:03:43 PM »
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Whats with this Navy Commander  who backs Kerry on Vietnam ?


GhostFT, I'm going to quote the entire article.

By Carol Giacomo

PITTSBURGH (Reuters) - An American journalist who commanded a boat alongside John Kerry (news - web sites) in Vietnam broke a 35-year silence on Saturday and defended the Democratic presidential candidate against Republican critics of his military service.

Weighing in on what has become the most bitterly divisive issue of the 2004 campaign for the White House, William Rood of the Chicago Tribune said the tales told by Kerry's detractors are untrue.

"There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago -- three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969," he wrote in a story that appeared on the newspaper's Web site on Saturday.

"One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other."

Before now, wanting to put memories of war and killing behind him, Rood had refused all requests for interviews on the subject, including from his own newspaper. "But Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened were overblown." he wrote.

"The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us.

"It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there," he added.

Kerry, a former Navy lieutenant, is a highly decorated Vietnam veteran, and his war service is essential to his ability to challenge President Bush (news - web sites) on issues of national security and leadership in the face of the Iraq (news - web sites) war and terrorism threats.

Increasingly, veterans opposed to Kerry and allied with Bush -- led by a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth -- have tried to undermine Kerry's service record and credibility and the justification for his medals.

In the face of a new CBS poll showing Kerry's support among veterans has slipped since the Democratic convention, the Massachusetts senator has launched an aggressive counterattack.

On Friday, Kerry accused the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth of collaborating with the Bush campaign and asked the Federal Election Commission (news - web sites) to force the group to withdraw ads challenging his Vietnam service.

Bush spent the war in the United States serving in the Texas Air National Guard. Some Democrats have accused Bush of going absent without leave from the guard, citing gaps in his attendance record.

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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2004, 01:31:50 PM »
"Kerry, a former Navy lieutenant, is a highly decorated Vietnam veteran, and his war service is essential to his ability to challenge President Bush (news - web sites) on issues of national security and leadership in the face of the Iraq (news - web sites) war and terrorism threats. "

In other words Kerry accomplised nothing noteworthy in his 20 year career as a United States senator..

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2004, 01:57:45 PM »
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"There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago -- three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969," he wrote in a story that appeared on the newspaper's Web site on Saturday.

"One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other."


You guys DO realize that this is not the same mission they are talking about...right? The swiftboats talk about the March 13th mission when Kerry won his Bronze star, while this guy is talking about the Feb 28th mission where he won the Silver star.

But its really hard to spot that upon casual reading, because the article is formulated in a way to lead the reader to think that these new statements are contradicting the swiftboats.

Pathetic.

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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2004, 02:13:18 PM »
Well.well.well,lets see what we have here,does anyone on either side think it would help for kerry to release all his military records?

  SOB..food for thought. A prosecuter was not there with kerry but relied on three friends that were . Two weeks ago said prosecuter maybe had relied on 3 witness to a murder to be able to call said murderer a liar. The judge,jury and prosecuter were not there so how were they all able to come to conclusion that the muderer was guilty and therefore was a lier?

 For any human in America, and a question for rpm as he is a vet.

 Everyone should by now know that swift boats were very very noisy, large and combersome boat, that always at least traveled in pairs. They are in fact more noisy and less stable than ww2 pt boats. Tell me using common sense do you really believe they were used in 68 or 69 or anytime to insert any force much less an a or b team of green berets behind enemy lines?

  Personaly if it were me, Id rather jump into cambodia with a pink
chute, with a siren and flashing lights on, Id have had more chance.

 Kerry has recently changed his story on dates,from dec. to jan.,and other things as this.

 It has taken a little time, which the liberal newspapers are shooting for, but so far every article like the ones akcurly refered to have been proven to be false info.  Give it time this will be to.

 Last you all seem to believe it is all made up because of where the money came from. If that is wrong ,is it not wrong to have rassmann and others being paid monthly by the kerry campainge?
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2004, 02:29:14 PM »
I'm shocked.....

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2004, 02:53:12 PM »
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...In other words Kerry accomplised nothing noteworthy in his 20 year career as a United States senator..


Complete agreement there. Kerry has not distinguished himself on his record as a US Senator.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me on Bush's record before he became President? What did he do that was so "Presidential" and/or worthy of the highest office?

Let's compare apples to apples shall we?
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2004, 02:59:07 PM »
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You guys DO realize that this is not the same mission they are talking about...right? The swiftboats talk about the March 13th mission when Kerry won his Bronze star, while this guy is talking about the Feb 28th mission where he won the Silver star.

But its really hard to spot that upon casual reading, because the article is formulated in a way to lead the reader to think that these new statements are contradicting the swiftboats.

Pathetic.


The SBVFT group have been all over the Kerry record disputing practically everything including the Feb account. What's pathetic is the character assasination against Kerry's Vietnam record by a group that ignores Bush's.

Keep in mind I don't fault Bush doing what he did as that was the smart thing to do. Vietnam was a war we didn't need to be involved with.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2004, 03:07:50 PM »
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.....food for thought. A prosecuter was not there with kerry but relied on three friends that were . Two weeks ago said prosecuter maybe had relied on 3 witness to a murder to be able to call said murderer a liar. The judge,jury and prosecuter were not there so how were they all able to come to conclusion that the muderer was guilty and therefore was a lier?.....


Here Say evidence is usually not permissible in a court case, especially a serious one such as murder.

Now if we heard directly from the three that say they were there to witness the crime, that would be very admissible.

More importantly, I'd like to hear the others that Elliot uses their account to come to his conclusion.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2004, 03:09:43 PM »
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Complete agreement there. Kerry has not distinguished himself on his record as a US Senator.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me on Bush's record before he became President? What did he do that was so "Presidential" and/or worthy of the highest office?

Let's compare apples to apples shall we?


The standard liberal judgement about Bush's record is that he is stupid and that he got only along on daddy's name. Libs sayy that all time and there no point discussing it firther - thats what you guys believe.

So I ask whats Kerry's excuse?

I though he was the smart one, the brave effictive leader under fire, the experienced dedicated public servant...

Whats Kerry's excuse for his pointless career in the Senate?

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2004, 03:12:38 PM »
TYpical non-voting Bush supporter.. "Anyone but Kerry"

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2004, 04:17:38 PM »
Subaros, remember that Alfred French,the prosecutor, was relying on direct testament from three who were there.

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2004, 04:28:26 PM »
What difference does it make?  They are both scumbags.

It is not a matter of who is the best man for the job, but who is the less worse man for the job.

274 Million people in this country and all we can muster up to be the leader of our country are these two screwsticks!


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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2004, 04:42:17 PM »
Anyone notice how the swift boat captain in that article is suddenly driving a Benz and his house size just doubled?
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2004, 05:03:25 PM »
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