Author Topic: Furballers -vs- Timid Pilots (Read 10088 times)

ccvi · « **Reply #180 on:** November 26, 2004, 03:09:51 PM »

I think I didn't arbitrarily put you on the list. You're there because I knew you would be interested in this topic, otherwise you wound't have replied at least twice

The point was that k/t (which has been discussed in this thread) is useless, and if anything, it needs to at least include deaths, too.

Sure we can fight a few matches, just not to prove anything. In a well defined 1vs1 setup by definition both parties end up with the same (kills+deaths)/time value, therefore it cannot define timidity

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #181 on:** November 26, 2004, 03:20:08 PM »

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Originally posted by ccvi
I think I didn't arbitrarily put you on the list. You're there because I knew you would be interested in this topic, otherwise you wound't have replied at least twice

hmm thought it said arbitrarily players in your posting, I only replyed to your posting because it looked like you was calling me timid , then I replyed again to see how an agressive person flys, not how many kills they accumulate by any means necessary

The point was that k/t (which has been discussed in this thread) is useless, and if anything, it needs to at least include deaths, too.

Sure we can fight a few matches, just not to prove anything.
I did not ask for the matches to prove anything to you, simply to see your awesome agressiveblity

In a well defined 1vs1 setup by definition both parties end up with the same (kills+deaths)/time value, therefore it cannot define timidity

timidness is judged by the way a person flys regardless if it is in a duel, turn fighting to turn fighting or bnz vs angles, so from my point of view it can define timidness in a 1 vs 1, btw the matches were not described to be duels can be any setup you like Sir.
I just did not understand why you "arbitrarily" chose me except for the same reason I described earlier, I feel as you have layed judgement on me with out knowing anything about my flying abilitys in this game , I am not saying you are any better or any worse then me have never made such a claim, on the contrary you did when you included me in your little comparison posting

ccvi · « **Reply #182 on:** November 26, 2004, 03:28:27 PM »

Lacking creativity I picked everyone replying to this thread, plus the JBs because it was requested.

And, obviously, timidity has nothing to do with ability.

straffo · « **Reply #183 on:** November 26, 2004, 04:00:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Seeker
Beetle = EuroLaz

Sorry Beet but this one crack me up

Arlo · « **Reply #184 on:** November 26, 2004, 04:12:48 PM »

I dunno, man. I'm still trying to figure out what the true goal of this thread is. Is it a conversion thing? A recruitment drive? Rationalization? An excuse to whine about one pov or the other? Boredom incarnate? Or is it just an endless philosophical debate as important as "less filling! - tastes great!"?

straffo · « **Reply #185 on:** November 26, 2004, 04:15:54 PM »

Arlo it's all of this and more than you can think off.

SlapShot · « **Reply #186 on:** November 26, 2004, 04:38:19 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Nope. If it was the tour I'm thinking of, one sortie was a 10 kill job - 3 buff formations and a fighter. Then more buffs came in... Slapshot - a film is proof - no matter how much you would sometimes prefer otherwise. No, no GV kills in that time. But please... continue with your fantasy/makebelieve while I dig the film out. Then you'll be able to put a bucket over your head, say "I don't want to hear this", hum loudly in a tenor voice, and fumble your way around for a minute or two... like the guy in that US car commercial from way back when.

Beet ... I dont give a watermelon ... understand ?

Dig thru all the films you want ... I am sure you will find the perfect one to support whatever it is that you would like us to believe ... problem is ... everyone is on to ya ... have been for quite some time ...

Keep tryin bud !!!

beet1e · « **Reply #187 on:** November 26, 2004, 05:30:29 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Beet ... I dont give a watermelon ... understand ?

Dig thru all the films you want ... I am sure you will find the perfect one to support whatever it is that you would like us to believe ... problem is ... everyone is on to ya ... have been for quite some time ...

Keep tryin bud !!!

Ahhhhh - gotcha! You're not interested in film evidence - and that's understandable. You want to cling to your fantasy/makebelieve!!! And that's entirely understandable! You have your mutual backslappers like stang to consider. You want to slap each other's backs so each of you can make the other look good - regardless of any film evidence to the contrary.

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Oh ... you want us to believe that 16.9 is A2A ... LOL ...

Yes, I know it's a tall order for you to swallow that, so guess what: I have a film - some evidence - that shows me in a A2A scenario, and landing 9 kills. And I never went above 5K to do it. Sorry, didn't have the film rolling for the first 4 kills - but it's a good flick nonetheless!

No doubt you'll want to discredit the film by saying I lent my account to someone for the evening. But spin it! Spin it any way you want - I have my films, you have your fiction/makebelieve! It's a win-win!!!

Here's that film - http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/film176f4u1d9k.zip

Oh, and here's the scene as it was after that fourth kill, before I got kills 5-9. And I DID land them - Enjoy!!!

Elfie · « **Reply #188 on:** November 26, 2004, 06:02:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Very well said Wotan.

If anyone wants to know what a timid pilot looks like, here's a film of one in action. It's really sad to see the P-38 being flown like this Rook flew it. Timid pilots should be forbidden from flying that plane.

Brave Sir Robin

ack-ack

That link doesnt work Ack-Ack, downloads as an html document when you right click and *save as*. When left clicking the link it takes me to a website with no films and from what I can see it only has political info on it.

SlapShot · « **Reply #189 on:** November 27, 2004, 09:33:06 AM »

Ahhhhh - gotcha! You're not interested in film evidence

Yup ... I am not interested in whatever it is that you are trying to prove here ... and most would agree ... that's understandable

DipStick · « **Reply #190 on:** November 27, 2004, 10:48:56 AM »

I don't have need of your films tango. I'm sure you guys are great. I only go by what I've seen in the MA which has always been 3+ of you in P-51Ds vs me low and slow. You take turns on the b-n-z extending to at least 4k+ even at those odds. That was not only when I was in Spit5 but P-40, etc... as well.

Apparently you guys think dropping under 10k makes you aggressive. To me it's just timid boring stuff that takes no skill to eventually get the kill (when you always have alt and numbers). I call it being 'bored to death'. After 5 mins of this I usually take the chances necessary to get myself killed to end the misery and find a good fight somewhere else. It's just TOO BORING! My $.02

dtango · « **Reply #191 on:** November 27, 2004, 11:34:38 AM »

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Dipstick Wrote:
I don't have need of your films tango. I'm sure you guys are great. I only go by what I've seen in the MA which has always been 3+ of you in P-51Ds vs me low and slow. That was not only when I was in Spit5 but P-40, etc... as well.

Apparently you guys think dropping under 10k makes you aggressive. To me it's just timid boring stuff that takes no skill to eventually get the kill (when you always have alt and numbers). I call it being 'bored to death'. After 5 mins of this I usually take the chances necessary to get myself killed to end the misery and find a good fight somewhere else. It's just TOO BORING! My $.02

(1) My friend you sure aren't interested in even looking at the facts. You already have preconceived concept of how we fly and fight and have no interest in looking at the facts. Fine with me but don't go around spouting out stuff like you know how we fly because obviously you don't and choose to ignore reality.

(2) I'm glad you think we're bored to death when we're twisting and turning all over the skies. We sure are having a heck of a lot of fun and killing you why we are at it

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Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

beet1e · « **Reply #192 on:** November 27, 2004, 12:10:49 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yup ... I am not interested in whatever it is that you are trying to prove here ... and most would agree ... that's understandable

LOL Slap! Allow me to paraphrase: "Don't confuse me with the facts - I know what I'm talking about!"

beet1e · « **Reply #193 on:** November 27, 2004, 12:12:36 PM »

Dtango - LOL! I think we're both pushing the same rock - up the same hill!

4510 · « **Reply #194 on:** November 29, 2004, 09:25:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa

And personally if I'm not in a plane that can catch the timid runners - heck, nobody forced me to use a slower plane.

Kweassa,

I really liked your line above.... made me think back to the old rhetorical question....

"Why do slow planes always make this "whining" sound?"