Author Topic: She wass only 16 (Read 3151 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #45 on:** August 23, 2004, 12:21:47 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Had we not been at war with Germany when they started slaughtering the Jews then, yes we should have invaded them to stop it.

Good night.

Why on earth would you do that back then? Genocides werent illegal...

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #46 on:** August 23, 2004, 12:24:36 AM »

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Originally posted by wrag
Not really sure.......

but thought her judge said she was punished for having spoken out?

Looked like he went out of his way to see her excuted?

So the woman was executed for being mouthy?

Damn. Some countries have the best penalties:D

demaw1 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 23, 2004, 12:24:41 AM »

Gscholz...Fyi colored people were not treated like jews in europe.America participated in slavery , as has every country in the world, including africa. Africa wiped out the hottentots [ not sure of spelling] hunted them down like dogs,killed them man women and child,because they were brown and small amoung other things.

That is the way of an evil world,unlike most in europe, and sad to say most liberals in this country, I and other like minded people will condem this to hell no matter who does it.I believe America paid for that sin many times over.

Midnight Target have you totally lost your moral compass?.79 people that took the young lifes for no reason. Whats the difference? Maybe in even your world 15 to 20 years more to live might make a small difference? I have no understanding for people like you, that act as if there were no victim. No babies without mothers, no fathers and mothers with out sons or daughters. Your compassion for these animals is amazing.The little girl in iran had a smart mouth,and was killed at 16 not 36.

If a smart mouth is all it takes, then you better look over your shoulder, your next.

Torque · « **Reply #48 on:** August 23, 2004, 12:28:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Pei
They are not masters of thier own fate because they don't have a deomcratic system. One of the reasons they don't have a democratic system is because the religious establishment uses the legal system to keep itself in power.

Actually Iran had a parliment and a budding democracy with an elected leader back in the fifties.

But some small things got in the way, like Oil reserves and western corporations.

Pei · « **Reply #49 on:** August 23, 2004, 12:36:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Torque
Actually Iran had a parliment and a budding democracy with an elected leader back in the fifties.

But some small things got in the way, like Oil reserves and western corporations.

..and MI5 and the CIA. But that still doesn't mean that the current regime should not be encouraged to reform.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #50 on:** August 23, 2004, 02:16:40 PM »

LOL your morals are defined by legality.. You just lost...

Furball · « **Reply #51 on:** August 23, 2004, 02:30:51 PM »

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Originally posted by parker00
How does this have anything to do with the original post?

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Originally posted by wrag
Surprised??? Why would I post something about the French?

The 2 news items don't compare???

it was linked on the same page.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #52 on:** August 23, 2004, 02:34:23 PM »

This whole thread is about your definitionon of morality as a legal concept and how all are equally valib because their people think so.

Here's an intresting idea. several times you stated that genocide is illegal due to international law.

You also mention that members of a society should dictatre thir own laws and not outsiders.

So the international laws are valid because member states agrreed to them.

What happends then when a country rejects this international body and sets off on its own and starts slaughtering a minority group they declare top be criminals. They are no longer a member of the treaty, or the UN, or the Geneva Conventions, or the League of Nations etc - any of these.

What justification would you have to interfesre then? You would be imposing your foreign morals on them.

By your definitions none... Its not illegal accoring to that nations law and they asre not members of any internatinal agrrement or body..

NUKE · « **Reply #53 on:** August 23, 2004, 02:34:32 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
What right does any outsider have to dictate how a country runs its legal system? She was found guilty of a crime and punished according to their laws.
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So if the US passed a law that says 16 year olds can't drive a car and the punishment is death, you should be perfectly okay with that....as in no problem at all with it, not blinking an eye....right?

Man you are out there sometimes.

Rino · « **Reply #54 on:** August 23, 2004, 03:05:59 PM »

Perhaps GScholtz was simply defending the Norwegian's
right to cast value judgements against American interference.

icemaw · « **Reply #55 on:** August 23, 2004, 03:11:47 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes you do.

Sean Sellers was sentenced to death in 1986 for murder. He became the first person in the United States to be executed for a crime committed at 16 since executions resumed in 1977.

Napoleon Beazley was sentenced to death in 1995 for the murder of John Luttig, which he committed at age 17.

Shareef Cousin was sentenced to death in Louisiana for murder in 1996. He was 16 at the time of the crime.

Scott Hain was executed in Oklahoma on April 3, for the murder of Michael Houghton and Laura Lee Sanders. He was 17 years old at the time of the crime. Among those who appealed to Governor Brad Henry to stop the execution, in addition to Amnesty International, was Nobel Peace laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

The United States and Somalia are the only countries in the world that have not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Twenty-one U.S. states allow for the execution of people who were 16 or 17 at the time of the crime. Out of the 38 death penalty states, 16 have abolished this punishment for juvenile offenders.

In the past five years, the United States has executed 13 juvenile offenders. Eight of these executions took place in the state of Texas. The rest of the world combined carried out five such executions. The United States accounts for four of the last five known juvenile offender executions in the last two years.

As of January 2004, more than 70 juvenile offenders sat on death rows throughout the United States; this constitutes approximately 2% of the total death row population.

Show me just one that was executed for a sharp tounge./

JB73 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 23, 2004, 03:20:07 PM »

Reading the title of this thread., i was expecting someone telling us why they were no longer going to be playing because of incarseration.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #57 on:** August 23, 2004, 04:04:44 PM »

Unwritten laws.. Thats far too vague, its open to cultural interpretation...

"it applies to everyone everywhere regardless"

Why? What if a peopole vote to reject them? Would yiou dictate that they obey then?

midnight Target · « **Reply #58 on:** August 23, 2004, 04:09:01 PM »

So Grun.. you would have no problem with her execution had she say... murdered her brother?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #59 on:** August 23, 2004, 04:24:33 PM »

So the world will DICTATE these unwritten laws to a society which chooses not to accept them.

Got it.