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Offline Zanth

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« on: August 24, 2004, 08:02:15 AM »
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The country I was playing on this AM was hiding six (6) CV's.  That is a lot of game play missing from the map.  From the courses that are laid in it looks like someone has had some of these boats locked on course for 4 hours or more.  

Even though it was my own side doing the hiding, this is something I disagree with.  One or two ... well still don't like it but maybe - but 6?  This is excessive to the point of rediculous.   I begin to see why some argue that CV's should follow some direction other than a single (or any) player's control.  As it is this is just a lot of game play for both sides that is  just lost.

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2004, 08:08:49 AM »
agree with your whine

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2004, 08:43:30 AM »
Personally, I think CV hiding is lacking in imagination.   Why not use them in combat?

The other day we went out with 262's to find "our" CV's.   We did....(we had retaken the ports and couldn't find the CVs).   We sent B17's, like HQ raiders to sink them.

When it was all over, it really seemed stupid.   Why bother?

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2004, 08:49:04 AM »
agree 100 %

Would like to see another condition added to CV control.

The person who has control has to be within a certian radius (miles) of the CV. This would force the captain to actually stay within control range. Leave the radius ... lose control.

It would also help to eliminate the hogging of CV Control  by just 1 person, unless of course CV Groups are steaming next to each other.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2004, 09:04:30 AM »
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Originally posted by SlapShot

The person who has control has to be within a certian radius (miles) of the CV. This would force the captain to actually stay within control range. Leave the radius ... lose control.


I like the sound of this concept.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2004, 09:08:37 AM »
VERY good idea slapshot

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2004, 09:12:46 AM »
This is an excellent whine, and I'd like to whine along with you.  Slapshot's solution is a promising one.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2004, 09:25:04 AM »
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Originally posted by SlapShot
agree 100 %

Would like to see another condition added to CV control.

The person who has control has to be within a certian radius (miles) of the CV. This would force the captain to actually stay within control range. Leave the radius ... lose control.

It would also help to eliminate the hogging of CV Control  by just 1 person, unless of course CV Groups are steaming next to each other.
the problem is you do NOT need command to set waypoints for a CV.

in your scenario on lets say the mindanao map, CV18 up in the far west is 100 miles form the front line when it starts. if someone had to sit on that CV for 4 hours to get it into position to even fight it would never get there.

setting waypoints for a CV is nto and should never be tied to someone being "in command"

taking command should be used they way it is designed. taking the CV and heading it in a better line around those PT spawns for example. the whole rank takes command is in place so that people who have played the game longer and understand the gameplay can run the CV... sometimes away from impending danger.


i do not agree with the hiding of CV's, and wish there was a way around it. the thoughts mentioned already all seem to be someone's idea of gameplay. dont forget that 1 persons idea of "fun" is another;s idea of "gameing" or something.





so far, the only plausable solution was the time limit imposed on owning the port attached to the CV. if the prot is owned for XXX time, and the CV is nto part of the country, it automatically de-spawns and re-up and the home port.

with the new reset conditions on place, that also seems unusuable. imagine 1 country is down to 7 bases (1 a port) and a CV on SFMA for example. those older maps unlike the new ones can not fly planes. the attacking country could take the port, kill all the barracks, then just sit and wait. eventually the CV would "auto spawn" giving them the reset.

from what i see the "gameplay" of it all just gets too complicated, and there is no simple solution.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2004, 09:28:13 AM »
Lose the port, lose the carrier.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2004, 09:30:34 AM »
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The person who has control has to be within a certian radius (miles) of the CV. This would force the captain to actually stay within control range. Leave the radius ... lose control.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2004, 09:40:19 AM »
New mission opportunity perhaps?

Perhaps a flight of b26s on a hunter/killer mission to find the carriers. Or a long endurance fighter just to scout them out. A p51 with DTs - hey it's boring but rewarding.

I'd do it just to screw over a carrier hiding mofo.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2004, 09:48:08 AM »
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the problem is you do NOT need command to set waypoints for a CV.
 


True, but you do however need command to lock-out others from redirecting it.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2004, 09:48:16 AM »
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Originally posted by gofaster
Lose the port, lose the carrier.

Couldn't be easier. While Slap's suggestion addresses the problem, GF's removes the problem. I say 5-10 mins. after port is taken CV respawns there under new ownership.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2004, 09:50:45 AM »
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Originally posted by gofaster
Lose the port, lose the carrier.


Might have to be that way.  Or maybe with some time delay.

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2004, 09:54:29 AM »
73,

My idea would prevent the CV hog from controlling multiple CVs and hiding the multiples. I have seen instances where 1 person does have command of all the "hiding" CVs and there is no way to wrest control from them.

How many times have you been flying off a CV (probably not alot u LW weenie ... :D) and come to find out that the guy who has control is no where near the CV group, and no one can take control of the CV to move it when bombers are inbound ... and the CV is lost.
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