well noone else has asked

[-towd_]

well i know you have 10,000 other things to do at htc but postin a request with the for knowledge it may be month kinda takes the pressure off?

well to the point.

i have a favorite aircraft cause the old man the raised me as his own was in a 38 squad in ww2 (aleutian).

now i know this sucker is gona be a booger (texan for pain in the ass)to model CORRECTLY!!!.

no other sim i have flown even comes close to the true characteristics of this unconventional bird (heavyest fighter of the war till very late war i believe?)

now yall already have me hooked on ah and the conversation is dwindlin around here except for bug reports so lets conversate on the 38 for a while.


1. could carry 2 1600lb bombs?

2. one varient had norden and bombridere ?  (droop nose)serve as a great med buff

3. unbelievable fuel endurance with tanks like 12 hours ?

4. it had turbos turbos are cool

5. reams of flight data?

6. convergence whe dont need no filthy steenkin convergence  

7. Dick Bong flew one Dick Bong is cool(please make it painted like his)

8. it fits well in the current cround?

9. i know for a fact they used napalm  (or rubberized gasoline as grampa called it)napalm is cool.

10. luft waffe contingent must henceforth refer to p 38 a "forked tailed devil" in german hehehehehehe  


ps here is a url to check my facts.
 http://members.xoom.com/tguettle/

now when i mentioned correctly as far as modelin i mean you can leave off the torq effects (unlike warbirds) and remember that in good hands in some situations l model could out turn a zeke , and i have read over and over about a split throttle move that they called the "clover leaf" that was a standard move but impossible in all sims thus far that i know of?

just keepin the faith and beggin for my bird take your time and do her justice i want her warts and all


TOWD  


well thats it  

[Swager]

TOWD   You are right on!  Except for one thing!  


Paint it like "Putt Putt Maru!"

Flown by Col. Charles McDonald from DuBois, Pa.!

30 miles from my hometown!

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Damn Ghostrider!  This bogey is all over me!!

[-towd_]

paint it pink with polkadots  (not meanin to disrespect your previous post)for all i care but make it fly right and give it the teeth its supposed to have (1600lb x2,norden option)

[juzz]

About the bomber-version, from an article by Joe Baugher:
 

With the increased use of the Lightning as a light bomber, the type was modified to carry in place of the forward-firing armament either a bombardier with a Norden bombsight in a glazed nose enclosure, or a "Mickey" BTO (Bombing Through Overcast) bombing radar in the nose with an operator station between the radar and the pilot's cockpit. These modifications were developed at the Lockheed Modification Center in Dallas, Texas. These so-called "droop-snoot" Lightnings were used to lead formations of P-38s each carrying two 2000-lb bombs which were released on instructions from the lead bombardier.

Better yet, model this "unique" version too:
 

P-38L-5-LO serial number 44-25605 was rebuilt by Hindustan Aircraft in India as a special VIP aircraft for a General Stratemeyer. The plane had a transparent nose, which made it look a lot like the "Droop Snoot" pathfinder Lightnings used in the European theatre. The General sat in a special seat inside the nose, and the inside walls of his "office" were lined with leather. There were even provisions for a built-in Thermos jug (I won't even ask what was in the jug :-)). Sort of reminds me of General Dreedle in the movie Catch 22. Nowadays, if Sixty Minutes were to get wind of such an extravagance on the part of the military, heads would roll.

[funked]

Outf_ckingstanding Towd!

[fats]

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10. luft waffe contingent must henceforth refer to p 38 a "forked tailed devil" in german hehehehehehe
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No, we'll keep calling it a 'big bellybutton target' that it is.

Seriously, Fw 190 and P-38 are the two most anticipated FMs - for me anyway. We'll see if history ( flitesim history ) repeats it self or has something new happened...


//fats

[ArcTangent]

Uhhh...  Who or What is a Dick Bong ?

[Flathat]

Maj.(?) Richard Bong, US Ace of Aces in WWII with 38(?) kills.

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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail

[-towd_]

are you kiddin i will assume you are not

other than havin the coolist uniform id patch on earth.

he was americas highest scoring ace 40 or so i believe. and all if not most were in 38s.

i am no expert but he is reguarded as somthing as a god among ww2 fighter pilots.

he died i believe shortly after the war in a tragic accident.

with the strengent requirements in asaaf to get a kill this fellow probly really did kill 40 ac in somthing like a fair fight (not lots of byplanes like the lw and nipponese pilots) not in any way meaningto disparage the skill or bravery of axis pilots.

but seems lots of the kills they claimed made it home in the records.where as you needed film i believe to claim a kill in usaaf.

p.s. dickbong is a member or 44th in wb and is named in respect of dicks memory not the real one. him being dead and all

towd

[funked]

Towd,

Bong was a stud, plus he has a cool name.  

The Luftwaffe kill records were pretty meticulously maintained and you had to do a LOT of work to get them official - sometimes up to several months for the paperwork to go through.  And a lot of guys lost kills at the end because the papers never went through.  I'm sure there was overclaiming, but not more than any other country.  The reason for big Luftwaffe kill tallies is the fact that they were in the war for 6 years, not 3 years like the US, and they flew until they died or the war ended.  Even guys like Galland (a General) ended up back in the cockpit.  Plus they constantly had 10:1 to 100:1 odds against the the USSR - lots of targets, all at low altitude doing ground support and escorting the attack planes.  Bases were usually within 100km of the front, so several sorties were flown each day when the weather was good.  And not a lot of biplanes.  I have a partial list of Hartmann's 300+ kills and it's mostly Sturmoviks, LaaGs, and Yaks.  The VVS were determined to control the air above the battlefield at all costs, so they took a lot of risks and paid for it when the Luftwaffe fighters were around.

As for the Japanese, they didn't keep official score of individual kills.

P.S.  A story I read:  VVS Ace (forgot his name) shoots up an Me 109, but the 109 ditches and is surrounded by Red Army troops.  The VVS guy is pissed that he ditched, so he makes a good landing nearby, hops out, goes over to the Luftwaffe guy, strangles him to death, hops back in his plane, and shoots down some more.

P.P.S.  The losses the VVS was willing to take for ground support is kind of like the losses the 8th AF was willing to take to hit German industry and civilian workers.  I think 20,000 8th AF aircrew died in a little over two years.  But it wore down the Luftwaffe in the west and it slowed production.

[Swager]

Richard (Dick) Ira Bong  was the leading American ace with 40 kills over Japanese a/c.

His P-38 was named MARGE, after is wife.  

I believe he was killed shortly after, or a few days before the war ended in an accident flying a P-80 Shooting Star when assigned stateside.

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Damn Ghostrider!  This bogey is all over me!!

[Unforgiven]

I don't recall if it was the P-80 but I think that was it.  He had just taken off for another test flight and the engine flamed out.  He was low & slow, out of runway and too low to bail.  He attempted a crash landing and died in the crash.  

The USAAF pulled him from active duty after the fellow, can't remember his name, that he was in the Ace Race with, just a few kills behind Bong, was killed in action and the Congress didn't want a Medal of Honor Recipient to get killed in action.

  Unforgiven

[Jekyll]

Actually, Dick Bong died when his main fuel pump sheared on takeoff.  He hadn't bothered to read the pilot's handbook for the aircraft, so he hadn't bothered to turn on the secondary pump.

He flamed out 50' up.. too low to eject so he stood up in the cockpit and popped his 'chute, which unfortunately became entangled in the tailplane.

He rode the plane down to impact.  A sad, wasteful end to a fine fighter pilot.

Just goes to show:  RTFM



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www.users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/index.htm
'feel the heat .......'

[ArcTangent]

Wow...learned something new.
Thanx guys.

<Salute> to Richard Ira Bong...and "Marge" ( Both plane & wife )

[Duckwing6]

Just a question TOWD .. did the P38 have counter rotating props ?
First time i flew a Twin it was a Beech 95 Travel air i thought i can leave my feet on the floor cuz there should be no torque .. well i was pretty surprised when i put the power on and i was looking for the runway edge lights suddenly because 2 props turning in the SAME direction produce twice the torque  
And that li'll baby only had 180 horse left and right not 1000  
just curious

Duckwng6