Author Topic: Help, I'm fixin to really screw up! (Read 651 times)

Horn · « **on:** August 27, 2004, 06:05:35 PM »

OK, I'm going to upgrade a p3/500 machine. It is an atx form with a 350 W power supply, a toshiba CD burner, a floppy, and a 13gb drive with Win98se loaded on it.

I plan on removing the old motherboard reinstalling the new one and keeping the rest.

I bought a:

ASUS p4s800d-e motherboard , transcend 1gb DDR400 RAM, a P4 3.0 ghz 800/500 and a Audigy 2 sound board and Win XP home & a 160gb drive.

For controllers, I have a full analog CH setup which I would like to continue to use.

Question is, since I already have 98se loaded up, can I just swap out the hardware, install the new wini as a "slave" and then format using NTFS & install XP on the big drive and just copy all my apps over from the 98se drive?

It sounds to easy so I am suspicious.

Any advice appreciated before I screw this up and buy a Mac.

Thanks!

h

JB73 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2004, 06:26:28 PM »

NO you will ahve all osrts of problems with putting the new hardware in with just a swap.

you will need to install WIN from scratch.

sry ...

my recomendation is this:

install all the new hardware, but leave out the drive with win98

do a full install of XP, following the steps here:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93658

THEN turn off PC and attach the HD with win98 as the slave and start up.

it "should" just start to WIN XP.

in XP you "should" see the new drive, and can save any DATA only. NOT applications installed by copying the data to the XP Hard drive.

now if you want to do a dual boot with 98 as a secondary OS i dont know a ton about that.

i do know that by changing the processor and MB the 98 OS will almost guarenteedly NOT boot.

you problem is the analog CH gear. XP does not support gameports natively, and you would not have full programibility of the stick.

back to the dual boot thing.... i seem to remember that you have to have the 98 system established before XP. if that is thae case, install all the new hardware, WITH the new HD as the master and the win98 as a slave

boot to a 98 startup disk,. and format the slave drive only (you will lose all data). install the 98 on the slave drive and get it running.

restart and install XP on the main HD (use NTFS because it is MUCH more stable and secure) you should then be able to do a dual boot.

things to remember:

win98 can NOT read NTFS so when in 98 you will not have access to the XP hard drive.

98 is not stable with large ammounts of memory (over 512mb) and to run smooth you will have to manually edit the MAXVCACHE to eb 512 or lower.

hope that helps

MOSQ · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2004, 12:59:13 AM »

Horn,
There are a couple of issues you face:
1) You're going to have to reformat the old HD and reinstall Win98, no way around that.
2) Your CH gear will work fine in Win XP as long as the sound card has a midi/gameport, which I think the Audigy does. But make sure.
3) However the CH analog gear is not programmable in Win XP. That's what you'll need Win 98 for, if nothing else. You can boot to DOS in 98 and run the CH analog programming applications.
4) You'll be creating a dual boot machine. It can be done, manually, but I would reccommend a little software help. I personally use Partition Magic which has an included program called Boot Magic. Boot Magic lets you choose among different OS to boot from. However if Partition magic is too expensive and has a lot of features you don't care for, I've heard other folks have had good success with OSL 2000 Boot manager. See: http://www.osloader.com/. Having a boot manager will save you a lot of headaches, and you can load Linux on your computer too!

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2004, 01:13:09 AM »

You can't just replace main hardware, like the MB, CPU, and HDD, without running into major performance issues due to the drivers installed in the previous installation. The MB is the biggest of them all.

You CAN slave the Win98 drive (best way for saving any data you want and copying it over, but if you can't program your CH gear in XP then you may be SOL in that area). Just be sure to set the jumper and place it on your slave for your primary IDE cable, or master for your secondary IDE cable (no need to change the jumper).

You can't dual boot with 98 on a secondary drive, if I remember correctly - XP and 98 need to be on the same boot partition. For ideal disc access, it won't work. If you are willing to deal with XP on your current drive with 98 on it, then you could install it there (choosing a new location naturally). It goes oldest to newest for OS installations on a drive, so there is no problem with 98 being installed first - but it XP be on the furtherst side of the disc from the center on the hard drive meaning longer disc access times (milliseconds, but still longer).

If you want to dual boot, I'd recommend formatting your NEW drive - install 98SE on there and then install XP after 98 is installed and setup with drivers. Setup XP with drivers. Finish installing drivers, programs, etc for both 98 and XP. Slave your current hard drive - transfer data over to a folder you create (labeled whatever so you know its 98). This will allow you to do a dual boot to program the CH gear, don't know if it actually works in XP tho - so you'd have to consult a CH expert on that.

Anything else, well I doubt I'll be able to give advice tommorrow until real late - but hopefully someone else will be able to assist.
-SW

Horn · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2004, 10:52:52 AM »

Hmmm, a couple of problems then:

1) This machine was sold w/ 98se installed and included no disks (but do have all the license #'s, keys etc) therefore reinstalling will be problematic.

2) XP (I do have disks etc) will not fit on the little drive w/98se.

3) I have heard I must load up 98 FIRST, then XP for a dual boot system. How does one switch back and forth--IOW, how do I get it to boot to 98se, then reboot and see XP?

Looks like I might be stuck with an XP only machine.

Thanks for the help guys it is appreciated.

h

Defiance · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2004, 11:01:27 AM »

Yo,
Look for a free Boot Manager (do a google)

Or buy one etc

I have used several free ones before and they were fine

Bootmagic also comes to mind but you have to pay for that

If you install 98/then xp it will use windose default dualboot option anyways that's where you choose which ms pos to boot into

If you are stuck for a boot manager email me i can help you out

Horn · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2004, 11:03:06 AM »

Update:

Turns out some worthy fellow has written a proggy that'll allow my CH Products gameport controllers to work in XP, so I'm abandoning this whole dual boot idea.

Question tho: I'm backing up my apps by burning them to a CD--will XP be able to read them? If not, how do I do it?

h

Horn · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2004, 11:06:53 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Defiance
Yo,
Look for a free Boot Manager (do a google)

Or buy one etc

I have used several free ones before and they were fine

Bootmagic also comes to mind but you have to pay for that

If you install 98/then xp it will use windose default dualboot option anyways that's where you choose which ms pos to boot into

If you are stuck for a boot manager email me i can help you out

cc thanks! One of my problems is that I am 200 miles roundtrip from a 'puter store so I can't just "run out" and get something so I appreciate the offer.

Someone else has now suggested that the 350W power supply won't be enough for this installation. Can anyone verify/dispute that?

h

JB73 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2004, 11:32:58 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Horn
Update:

Turns out some worthy fellow has written a proggy that'll allow my CH Products gameport controllers to work in XP, so I'm abandoning this whole dual boot idea.

Question tho: I'm backing up my apps by burning them to a CD--will XP be able to read them? If not, how do I do it?

h

by apps do you mean you "program files" folder?

if then no

you have to "install" programs. when you install somehting it wrrites stuff into the registry, and modifies some win system files.

that is alos why you must have anti virus stuff OFF when installing any program. the snit virus watched assecc to the registry and system files, and blocks it. the install app mostly will not know this and continue forward, but will not work properly.

JB73 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2004, 11:34:16 AM »

reply again... you mention you have a key for 98 the is legally yours...

IIRC 98 disks are not key specific, and since you do legally own a copy, you can use someone elses CDrom to install it.

Defiance · « **Reply #10 on:** August 28, 2004, 01:02:31 PM »

ps: larger/as-in more stable and able psu is always a good thing imho

If your 350 is ok on voltage readings your ok, If it dips below/above specs get another n don't skimp go for a known brand that's proven good

I am running a 350w psu fine n dandy here but i will soon be getting 450 or above for future stuff i will be adding

Addage as usual: If it ain't broke don't fix it, If in doubt get higher spec

Horn · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2004, 03:35:57 PM »

thanks again folks--I'm headed to the big city for a PS and then will take the plunge.

h
(gulp)

Horn · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:21:20 PM »

Well dang it all worked. Well most of it. Still trying to figure out how to get my analog CH throttle buttons to respond, but hey! I'll take little steps anytime.

Thanks all for the assistance. I re-subscribed and everything. Couldn't leave Dok all alone to kill all those newbies.

h

la7'sRule · « **Reply #13 on:** September 03, 2004, 11:17:06 AM »

Inappropriate.

la7'sRule · « **Reply #14 on:** September 03, 2004, 11:19:32 AM »

about the 98 oem number.

any oem number will do dont even need to be off a windows 98 disk.

it could be of a windows office disk I beleve,

However i could be thinking of windows 95