lack of class seems 2b the rule.....

[Shane]

Originally posted by twitchy
Player A got mad, Player B got mad, Player C is trying to stay out of it, maybe player D and E, F and G etc. should too eh?  

Player A got alt, Player B got E, Player C is trying to stay alive, maybe players D and E, F and G, etc should stay out of it?

how's that sound?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by twitchy

And I wouldn't toss half a  superduperdoubledeluxedelishd agwood sandwich on the ground before I had consumed it shane, putting it in the fridge is one thing, letting it fall slowly into a pack of wild ravenous dogs is another

Wild, ravenous dogs can chew their own food and don't need me to chew it for them.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by twitchy
No, Arlo, I'm saying that if you don't want your kill 'stolen' then don't let them drift down to the deck in flames and expect the other friendlies in the area to sit there and not take a shot at them. In other words, finish your kills. If someone steals a kill from you, it's your own fault for not following through on your kill. If I see a red icon, I am goign to shoot at it and I don't give a zip doodley dee dah who shot it first.  ....

[SARCASM]

Well hell. No wonder I don't land 137-kill sorties like you whizz kids.

If I'm cruising into the combat area and see something burning and cartwheeling down to the deck, I decide to save my ammo for a kill I'm more likely to actually get (since someone else obviously got this "red dot" mess up), and not burn my altitude chasing a flaming bag of dog (expletive) to the deck.

I'm such a fool. Thank you so much for setting me straight.

[/SARCASM]

Now, if you're in a furball, there's some justification - what with the "hold the trigger as I spin to my death so maybe I hit someone even though my screen looks like the end of 2001 ... the colors ... the colors ..." crowd. In which case that's an "oh well" if someone else in the furball got the kill. And I'd hardly call it stealing, nor would anyone else.

But deliberately going after planes which are obviously "dead" in hopes of stealing the kill by pouring in more cannon rounds than anyone else, or maybe the guy who did the damage thus far is already dead, is just weak. Those are the "score freaks."

[Urchin]

What is wrong with just asking who the guy was?  I do that all the time.  

By the way, I've been known to yell at people over Vox for stealing my kill, but usually they just didn't know it was dead and apoligize, and then it is all over.  Never had one start cussing at me and ****.  Well, maybe one, but I can't remember who it was, so it doesn't matter that much.

[Westy]

Seraphim and twitchy look me up online sometime. If you're unable to get kills on your own I'll toss you some scraps.
 Heck the same offers extends to anyone else who sucks so bad they'd need to chase down others people's left-overs to feel l337!

 All I ask is for a little cooperation when I holler out to you, "fetch!", "roll over" and "beg boy, beg!"

[rod367th]

Innappropriate

[AaronM2]

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[Charon]

I know this has been brought up before, but IMO there should be areas of critical damage that lock any kill or potential kill into the pilot that generated the damage. These would supercede any "total" damage points. You could start here:

1/2 wing shot off (pilot with most damage points causing the failure)
Tail shot off (pilot with most damage points causing the failure)
Elevators shot off (both by same pilot)
Ailerons shot off (both by same pilot)
Engine dead (credit pilot who caused initial damage)

A plane might be able to fly, and even get a lucky (or stupid on the part of the victim) kill with some of the above, but these areas significantly (or totally in the case of a missing, tail, etc) reduce it's ability to even fly defensive maneuvers.

Obviously, if the plane makes it back to base and screeches to a halt on the runway there would be no kill. But if it fails to make it back to base by auguring or an "assist" then the pilot that inflicted the above damage (or the above damage first - a wing for example) would get the kill. If a plane augers without any of the above damage then it would go to the pilot who generated the most damage points.

[edit: you might just add these in for pilots that create 100 percent of the damage to the above items, with the usual points system for all other circumstances. If you saddle up on the con and with one burst bllow off a wing, you get the kill. But if you damage the wing 50 percent, and somebody else 50 percent to cause the final failure, its counted as nothing more than points and not a critical failure]

Charon

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by Charon
Engine dead (credit pilot who caused initial damage)

If plane can maneuver and fire (even for only two more turns), why should this particular "kill credit" be assigned ? I've lost B-17 drones to 190's who were still able to make two more passes AFTER I killed their engines.

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by twitchy
No, Arlo, I'm saying that if you don't want your kill 'stolen' then don't let them drift down to the deck in flames and expect the other friendlies in the area to sit there and not take a shot at them. In other words, finish your kills.  

 Twitchy!!!  You disappoint me, sir!  

I couldn't disagree with you more.

[ace31st]

that is such a waste of ammo twitchy why would anyone want to do that?

people should have enough decency and respect to let you get your kill.

[flyingaround]

The issue at hand WAS dealt with, and considered a dead matter (as I posted prev) as far as I was concerned.

In my mind Seraphim, it was closed, and nobody "flamed you" on the bbs, as your name never came up.

I ALSO started this thread immediatly after the "incident" and posted a reply that I considered it resolved.  My follow up posts dealt with vulgarity in general, and you were not really brought up.  (save my slipped to the top 30 comment, and that I do regret.)  Nobody flamed you directly, and you outed yourself here (cough, ROD367th pic) not me.

Kill stealing was not really the issue, but the vugarity.  My follow up reply's never delved into "kill stealing", that was done by others.  I reviewed the film, and what "happened", in chronological order, was as follows.  

Me typing on range "Seraphim, WHY would you shoot at a wingless Hurricane?"

To wit you responded on range vox "F.U. man"

THAT was your initial reaction.  To curse at me on range vox.  I then I typed "Don't you have school 2morrow" comment (based totally on your childish reaction, and squeaky voice),  and you decided to switch to private (and curse some more) and it went downhill from there.  

WHAT you seem to be missing here are several pertinent points.

1. You shot at a plane going down like a dweeb.  You should have apologized, and that would have been that.  THAT is what adults, and/or pilots with honor or respect do.  We BOTH know that is considered a "dweeb" thing to do, and a pilot of your calibre shouldn't do such things.

2. You LEAD the interaction with tellin' me "F.U." on VOX.  That in and of itself should result in geting banned from AH, or at the least reprimaned.  There is not really any excuse for it, and I am still awaiting an apology.  You posted your 30yrs old, let's see if you can act like it.

The whole reason I started the thread was to ask the community if they would help crack down on people cursing on vox, and/or text.  It should at the least be frowned on, and at best not allowed.  You decided to poke your head in here and probably turn this into a flame fest (*cough*, again childish), and are apparently not a "man" enough to own up to a mistake, and take proper action for it.

Don't try to make me out as a bad guy here.  I didn't shoot at a wingless bird, nor hurled vulgarities on range vox.  THAT is the bottom line.  Don't like be treated like a kid, or assumed to be one?  Quit acting like your 12.


p.s. twitcy, did you not read where I posted we had talked, and I considered this a dead issue?  Original posted after incident, and follow up immediatly after our talk.  I DID drop it, as we discussed.

[Charon]

If plane can maneuver and fire (even for only two more turns), why should this particular "kill credit" be assigned ? I've lost B-17 drones to 190's who were still able to make two more passes AFTER I killed their engines.

A plane spiraling to the ground with it's tail shot off and the trigger held down can still score a kill. A similar argument could be made for any of the other items -- say you overshhot on a pass directly in front of its guns.

It's on the list because, for the most part, the ability to manuver in an agressive manner after an engine is dead decreases dramatically as altitude and airspeed are lost. 1-2 turns if the E is high enough to begin with, perhaps a downward spiraling fight for a minute as altitude is heavily traded for energy (and any significant level flight or climbing manuvers eliminate that fight quickly). Similarly, I didn't put a burning plane on the list because it is able to fight in the vertical and horizontal without any degraded performance until it explodes. If it exploded sooner rather than later (as it is now) then it might be added, but a burining plane that is still flying has to be considered an equal threat until it explodes.

In your case a plane with likely very high e and armed with cannons was able to make 1-2 manuvers on a low energy bomber formation that was in very close proximity and score a quick kill. Substitute a fighter for the bombers, or put the damaged plane D1-2 away when the engine is killed and you would quickly be able to dogifit it successfully in the same bomber with a considerable performance advantage for the remainder of the fight.

Frankly, I don't see how your example affects my position. My post is strictly about who gets the kill. In your case, you would get the kill, and not the guy who vulched it while it was trying to ditch at stall speeds.

Charon

[GRUNHERZ]

Seraphim I will be looking for you....  

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Seraphim I will be looking for you....  

FINALLY...30,000 posts later...our target is identified.