Zell Miller ROCKS!

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Murdr
...  As far as Im concerned the first opposition responders calling him a hatefull bigot just show what an prettythang you people are.

"You people"????

What demographic does this include?

[Murdr]

Mabey my composition skills are not the best, but I think the paragraph as a whole states clearly enough who "you people" are.

[Murdr]

Oh, hell I got it wrong.  He didnt even tell him to shut up.  He asked him "Well no.  Are you going to shut up when you ask me?  Are you going to give me a chance to answer?"

Read that article, then watch the actual interview it is very telling about the poor service the "press" is providing the american people.

Oh, and by the way my opinion is that Matthews had that comming for a long time.  The lady Zell refered to was a woman that was invited on Hardball to talk about her book.  They asked her to sit on the discussion panel before here book segment came up.  Being the great reporter Matthews wanted to discuss the swift boat accusations topic, but hadnt even read their book.  She had read it.  When encouraged to talk abou the accusations in the book, Matthews tried to put words in he mouth, and would not shut up long enough to let her explain that Chris had it wrong.  He then kicked her off the show at the end of the segment, canceling her discussion about her book, which is why she was there in the first place.  Zell told Imus that because of that he decided if Matthews ever tried to treat him that way, he wouldnt let it go unanswered.

[Westy]

His speech was all bull**** and massive exagerations. The guy is just trying to shill his book. He'll do and say anything to get the publicity.














Oh dammit.


I just realised I used a frequent neo-con slander tactic from these very boards....

[Westy]

"That's it. The guy has Yellow Labs.  He must be a good guy...."


 Heh. You don't think he'd be caught alive with black labs do you?





(you're right. it is too easy. i feel dirty....)

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Westy
His speach was all bull**** and massive exagerations. The guy is just trying to shill his book. He'll do and say anything to get the publicity.

One issue you cant sidestep is the fact that Kerry now wants us to believe that he will act decisivly when the right conditions are met.  He claims he would have gone into Iraq, but he would have built a better cohalition than Bush did.  Yet the largest cohalition in history was formed for the gulf war and he voted aginst it.

Oh, and you mean liberal slander tactics from this board.  The first thing they did is compair Miller to a speaker at a KKK rally.

[Westy]

" mean liberal slander tactics from this board."

 lol.  Make the bad man go away....

 The conservatives and neo-cons on this board have been FAR worse in the last two years by a magnitude of ten.  All I can say is aint no sympathy here.



 FYI.  I can't stand Kerry and I do not plan on voting for him. However theres is no way in hell I can vote for the team of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield and retain a clean concious.

[Murdr]

Well I will have to take your word for it westly since I dont frequent the oclub often.  I can only comment on what I see, which in this thread (as I explained earlier) is pretty ridiculous.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Westy
I can't stand Kerry and I do not plan on voting for him....I can vote for the team of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield and retain a clean concious.

LOOK ^^^   a Michael Moore "quote" LOL

[Silat]

Originally posted by Murdr
Hypocrite.  When Bush is being compaired to Hitler, and generally being subject to lies and half-truths about him, it just independent groups.  When independent groups go after Kerry its the Bush campaign.

By the way bringing the KKK into the discussion is a red herring and totally inappropriate.  As a matter of fact it is just a low life thing to do, and quite frankly shows who is a flake.  I dont care if the discussion was about comments made by a grand wizard of the kkk on a completely unrelated topic to kkk intrests.  It would not automatically invalidate the comments.  As far as Im concerned the first opposition responders calling him a hatefull bigot just show what an prettythang you people are.

Pretty personal comments Murdr. And I havent called you an a** or a flake.I didnt call Bush Hitler. But Zell represents an old south. He was chief of staff for Lester Maddox. I dont think Im very far off base about him.
 How that makes me a hypocrite I dont understand. THere is nothing even remotely lowlife about telling it how I see it based on history about him.


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[Martlet]

Originally posted by Silat
Pretty personal comments Murdr. And I havent called you an a** or a flake.I didnt call Bush Hitler. But Zell represents an old south. He was chief of staff for Lester Maddox. I dont think Im very far off base about him.
 How that makes me a hypocrite I dont understand. THere is nothing even remotely lowlife about telling it how I see it based on history about him.


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I thought you were talking about Sen. Byrd.

[Gyro/T69]

Silat,

When Miller delivered the keynote address on behalf of Bill Clinton in 1992 was he chief of staff for Lester Maddox? Or does that only count now. I for one, don't remember a thing being said about it then. Funny how that works ain't it.

[Murdr]

I have little humor, tollerence, or respect for this old cheap tactic of crying bigot whenever a conservative speaks out.

Anyone can google a transcript of Zells speach, and anyone can see there is absolutely nothing at all relating to race in that speech.  This thread was about Zells performance as the key note speaker.  

There is no call for throwing Sen Miller in with the KKK in the related discussion.  Criticizing what he said, why he said it, the validity of his statments, thats cool.  So why bring up the KKK?  He wasnt a Robert Byrd or a David Duke.  Even if he was, what does that have to do with what he said in his speech?  Absolutely nothing.   What does that have to do with the validity of his claims?  Absolutely nothing.  I wonder what the next tact will be when that generation that lived through the civil rights changes eventually die off.  Mabey at one time I wouldnt bat an eye when I seen stuff like this.  That was before I seen a man trying to say some nice things to a 100 year old be turned into a circus.

What is the point of judging a persons life in an extict social standard based on the standards of today?  My dad used to break yard stick on my arse, until he swithed to the belt.  Try and do something like that in Wal-Mart today, and see how long it takes for the men in blue to have a conversation with you.  Does that make him a child abuser today?  Not to me.  Unless you want to bring some recent examples of what a bigot Zell is today then the whole deal is irrelevent.  Even if you did what is your point?  Bush is the bigots canidate?

You poped in here with links later stating they prove the bush campaign is spreading lies about kerry.  The hypocritical part is lumping Bush supporters in with the Bush campaign, while turning a blind eye to all the bs that anti-Bush/Kerry suppoters have pumped out for the last year, but not giving them the equivelent "Kerry campaign" blanket.  If I miss read that, and you view both the same way, Id be happy to retract the hypocritical statment since it is at least consistant.

Also, I did not go after an individual with my earlier comment, I threw out a blanket (albeit it only fell on 2 people).  I cant explian the basis for my expressed view any more clearly than I already have.  If that makes me a jerk, that is fine with me.  Take it however you wish.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Silat,

When Miller delivered the keynote address on behalf of Bill Clinton in 1992 was he chief of staff for Lester Maddox? Or does that only count now. I for one, don't remember a thing being said about it then. Funny how that works ain't it.

Doesnt work that way.  It only counts now.  Its ok to be a Democrat and have either a hint of, or even blatent racism in you past.  Its ok to be a (D) US senator and a former KKK official.  Its ok to be a (D) US senator and make jokes about people from India.  Its ok to be a (D) US congressperson, and refer to a comittee lead by a hispanic you met with as a "bunch of white guys".  I guess if you do enough to become a persona no grata Democrat though, that privilage gets revoked though.

[AKIron]

Thought it a great speech, even if he did sound a bit like Jimmy Carter.