What happened to all the good fights?

[mechanic]

Originally posted by Paul33
I think you and I would get along quite well Mechanic...


By the way NoPoop, I loved that piece of work on furballs

Make way for Aces High philosophy!

we already did trying to fly through those stupid ground tunnels in the DA remember

[mechanic]

Originally posted by TexMurphy
Well its not strange that there arnt any big fights when things like what happened last night happen.

Bishops are hoarding at a base with virtually no fighting. When I ask why they all hang there the response is "To voulch".

I head over to another base which is under attack and has requested help. I come there and its launchable and the resistance is there but not kickin the enemy home. We needed just 3-5 more pilots to get the fight going big time. When I ask why people dont come and help out the response is "The base is beeing over ran".

There are never gonna be any good fights if people cant fight bad odds or organize them selfs to even them up.

Btw Im a rook now.

Tex

exactly tex!

i watched in disgust a few nights ago as 30 or 40 planes were attacking a single undefended base.

maybe we should be alocated bases for each squad, and if you lose your base then........

oh i dont know, but something needs to be done.

[2shad4u]

mechanic i didnt vulch an acct i was the acct get it through your head already and i wasnt saying they need more of a challenge in a bad way see the " ".........................and i didnt mean gangbang like that since it is a few squadies winging up

so why put them down because of their individual traits? if any plane is a dweeb plane its the ones suited to high alt/high speed/ high firepower.

and sorry again for making you think i called a spit5 a dweeb plane but i dont recall saying that since i fly a la7 sometimes and a spit5 when it is a low furball near a base..................and i understand you like a spit5 and i have no problem with that and i did not

critisize me or my squad for the plane we enjoy flying

 i think you just misinterpruted my text, i think i spelled the big M word wrong but its ok...........................

take the if you want but did not mean for you to take my text the wrong way like that sorry:)

[mechanic]

no problem shad, i took it wrong then, but i dont like to see a pesonal attack to my squad members.

insult me, fine.

dont insult the wonderfull bunch of pilots that it is my honour to fly and die with.

appology accepted.

[MaddogJoe]

There are still furballs, just not the wild "devil may care" ones that we used to have. Lets face it, the huge furballs are for non skilled fighters. They dive in fully expecting to die, just wondering how many they can take with them. This is also why you see the "dweeb planes" in them..the spits, La's and niks. Not that there is anything wrong with these planes or the people who fly them, but they are the easier of the planes to fly and the newer and non-skilled pilots do gravitate to them.

What may have happened is when AH2 went live alot of people couldn't make the jump due to computers not being good enough. Those of us that could upgraded, those kids that couldn't didn't, or they have gone back to school.

So what I think your seeing is the more serious people are flying, and that ussually means people looking to kill with-out being killed. So the more leathal planes that can get you out of trouble are the ones you see, and those don't lend well to furballing.

For the record I hate furballs, mostly because I hate dieing. I fly this game just for the trill of a good 1 on 1 or a 1 on 2. Not that I'm all that "skilled" either, but that's my game.  I have trouble finding  a good fight.... just too many furballs out there!  

[mechanic]

lol
so there is a flip side to this coin, those who still think we have to much furballing and not enough good 1vs1 fights.

personally i like to think i am of a reasonable skill level, but i still love the furball

[MaddogJoe]

I'm sure there are some very skilled players that like to furball, but like I said "most" of the people in furballs are not, its the only fight they get a kill in. no slight intended, I hope non was taken.

It just seems to me that there are less of the "younger crowd" for what ever reason, and this is why I think the furballs are down to 30 planes instead of the 50+ plane furballs of old.

[AWCHKRS]

Originally posted by nopoop
Mechanic I agree completely, where have they gone ??

My thesis paper for a masters degree in furball from a couple of years ago.

Fluid dynamics of a "good" furball
 
Ingrediants are dependent on arena density. That's why this crack smoker can't get a "good" fix on a Large map.

There self propagating but are dependent on chance. Arena density increases the "chance".

Along the lines of a tornado. The ingrediants have to be there, but the tornado might not appear. The way it's fed is similar.

Perfect example is the Isle map last week and the fur between A1 and A4.

A catogory 5 furball
All the ingrediants were present and it took place. Saw many a furball addict there that night

For some reason water increases the chances

Numbers have to be even, sliding back and forth but staying for the most part even.

What you end up with is a fluid front that fluctuates back and forth between bases. Outgoing planes at medium altitudes meet along the fluid front. PT boats below, Pickers coming in from both sides high being sucked down into it. Base takers continually come into the enemies base with altitude and drop in to base defenses. A "circulation" is created.

Those at the "front" are in the fur. Exits rearword are covered by incoming fighters. Exits to the sides can be used to regain altitude, but the "pickers" inhabit the sides.....waiting...

Getting too "deep" into the fur usually results in ones hair being set afire..... Safety is relatively close, but...being too deep causes the "pucker", the "edge", the nose print on the moniter..

Coming out the safe side with your hair on fire is the fix......

Screaming inches off the deck with tracers crossing your canopy, 3 or 4 in the bag, your hunched over the moniter on a furball high....Jeez the WEPs used up, missing a flap, the gear are gone, with an oil leak....Trying to get out...with a 51 closing, licking his chops sending presents your way..you scissor evade and a friendly makes him break off...

On final, the base takers are attacking, you come in hot, gently setting it oh so softly on it belly sliding down the runway scrambling for the clipboard to GET OUT BEFORE YOU DIE !!!

You made it

You take a breath..

Take off..

And do it again

Boring ???

BRUHAHAHAHAH !!

Like watching paint dry..

 NOPOOP , that's a way-cool post !

 
 I think my fellow Squady  Adios, ( `SeaSerpents`) put it best one evening afew years ago, during  a really big, exciting,  Furball Dogfight that we were in, " There is nothing more fun than coming out this with a hat full of scalps and a Con's bloody liver sliding off my canopy " .....  RR PAC AW MV ....
 
  CHECKERS

[nopoop]

Originally posted by MaddogJoe
Lets face it, the huge furballs are for non skilled fighters

Say it isn't so MJ.

KW hit the nail on the head and there is a great irony in what is put forth. In AH1 the main problem of using an early war fighter was the fuel porkage. With 25% the early war rides were parked in favor of those planes with range at low fuel.

The catagory 5 furball of AH1 consisted of mostly early war rides. With porkage the CV battle was the best chance for one to spring up towards the end.

Adjustments to fuel have been made. The irony is that even though adjustments were made to bring them back, the FM and gunnery of AHII have made them definate hanger queens for the masses.

Would I change anything ?? Definately not. The FM's and gunnery rock.

The most fun sortie I've ever had was in AHII. I wish I'd filmed the fuggin thing. The little fur is still out there. The planes have changed but you can find a good little fight.

Maybe some night I'll log on and see a Catagory 5 brewing. But I don't really think so. That's sad, they were a blast.

But I don't want to go back.

[mechanic]

maddog joe, of course no offence taken.

maybe it was the 80% population of noobs in a furball that made it fun for the more experienced online flight dweebs.

i live in hope for a catagory 5......

[TexMurphy]

Huge furballs are for pilots with high situation awarness and good flying skills.

1v1 duels favour the pilots with best aim and flying skills.

Furballs trade aim for situation awarness.

Its just that different situations require different skill sets.

Tex

[eagl]

It's kind of funny how the people who suck the worst in furballs are always the one saying derogatory things about those who find them fun.  To them, a furball is just a way to get killed because they lack the situational awareness, skills, and patience required to be successful.

Take Drex for example...  Half the time he's at the bottom of the biggest nastiest furball, just racking up kill after kill.  Not too many people say he lacks talent, and some of the best flights I've ever had in the game were either finding drex over and over in a furball because we both have very distinctive fighting styles, or winging with him and landing 10-15 kills between the two of us.

Those who like furballs are pretty tolerant of different flying styles and gameplay, so I wonder what it is about furballs that make it so a few people really attack anyone who says they like them.  Is it fear/shame?  Or is it because it just doesn't match their idea of how the arena war should go?  Regardless of their reasoning, they tend to be rather derogatory whenever the subject comes up, and it sure makes me wonder if they're just blabbering because they're ashamed they can't handle it.

[Stang]

it sure makes me wonder if they're just blabbering because they're ashamed they can't handle it.

Yup, they can't handle it  

[MaddogJoe]

eagl, I don't know if your talking about my post, as I'm one of the few that said I didn't like furballs, but in no place was I being derogatory nor did I intend to. I was just pointing out what I belived may be a cause to the smaller furballs. In no part of the post did I say they should try to remove furballs nor did I attack any one for liking furballs.

Furballs are part of the game, just as ground vehicles and bomber runs. For being one " who like furballs and are pretty tolerant of different flying styles and gameplay" you seemed pretty quick to jump when you "thought" someone was being derogatory to your style of flying.

Sorry if I offended your sense of "rightness" with the game, but you fly like you will, and I'll fly like I like and we can both have fun

[Paul33]

Originally posted by mechanic
we already did trying to fly through those stupid ground tunnels in the DA remember

Ahh yes! That was you?! Haha! <>

Those would have been real fun if they worked. (I think HTC got lazy one day)