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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2004, 02:03:50 PM »
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Actually, I agree that last night was a fine example. A fine example of the Rooks getting together and having fun in spite of ENY restrictions. If players prefer that to switching sides, hey ... go for it. But no, it doesn't prove ENY restriction is a failure at all. That's just wishful thinking on the part of some. :D


The desired goal of the ENY system is to create numerical parity, did that happen last night? Nope. It failed to create parity, its one and only design purpose. Making Rooks or any other country fly more challening planes was never the goal of the ENY system, it was supposed to be a means to an end. The means existed but the desired end never materialized, that is a failure.

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2004, 02:09:03 PM »
ENY restrictions HAVE encouraged greater parity by and FAR better than anything so far. But it wasn't designed to disallow the possiblity of occasional anomolies where players seem to prefer plane restrictions. That should be obvious by now. It merely proved that players still have a choice. Last night players chose to remain Rook and have overwhelming numbers of restricted types of planes. And they won the war. Apparently it was yet another reason to whine about ENY restriction. :D

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2004, 02:26:39 PM »
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ENY restrictions HAVE encouraged greater parity by and FAR better than anything so far. But it wasn't designed to disallow the possiblity of occasional anomolies where players seem to prefer plane restrictions. That should be obvious by now. It merely proved that players still have a choice. Last night players chose to remain Rook and have overwhelming numbers of restricted types of planes. And they won the war. Apparently it was yet another reason to whine about ENY restriction. :D


Sorry buddy, that may be your opinion, but it is not HT's opinion. I can't be bothered to dig up his post but he said something to this effect...(I'm para-phrasing of course)

The ENY system is being implimented to force an equalizing of MA numbers, I have chosen some arbitrary settings, if these are not effective in equalizing the numbers I will keep increasing the penalty as far as it takes to do so. I do not care if people switch sides or simply log-off, one way or another the sides, at any given time, will become numerically equal before I am done.

That's no joke, that's what he said. So, if you think you've heard whining now, just wait until he starts rachetting up the penalty settings. He clearly states that flying with superior numbers in inferior planes is not an acceptable option. He is just using that as a cattle-prod to herd us over to whichever side happens to have lower numbers at any given time.

If you don't remember it or believe me do a search and some thread scanning and you'll find it.

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2004, 02:32:24 PM »
No .. by and large the ENY restriction has been an overwhelming success. Just because a few players decided not to log when they normally would because they saw the ENY kicking in and they wanted to make some sort of political statement "proving it doesn't work" (read the posts) .... last night ... doesn't mean the system doesn't work as designed. Maybe EVERY Sunday RJO night will become the political protest night. Maybe EVERY Sunday RJO will have rook players having fun and "winning the war" in spite of restriction. Oh what a disaster!

If anything ... if proved that the sky didn't fall after all. ;)

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2004, 02:36:23 PM »
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No .. by and large the ENY restriction has been an overwhelming success. Just because a few players decided not to log when they normally would because they saw the ENY kicking in and they wanted to make some sort of political statement "proving it doesn't work" (read the posts) .... last night ... doesn't mean the system doesn't work as designed. Maybe EVERY Sunday RJO night will become the political protest night. Maybe EVERY Sunday RJO will have rook players having fun and "winning the war" in spite of restriction. Oh what a disaster!

If anything ... if proved that the sky didn't fall after all. ;)


Do you honestly think last night was some kind of organized conspiracy to invalidate the ENY system?!? My God man, you're dellusional. Last night was just an example, Monday nights Bishops have huge numbers, none of them log-off or change sides either, for Knights it's Thursdays, same deal. You say it is effective but the data doesn't back you up. Look at last camp's kill totals, even that data is virtually identical to any previous camp.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2004, 02:39:58 PM »
Calm down, Pedro. I wasn't the one posting about almost logging off then seeing the upcoming ENY restriction and staying on just to see what happened (along with mentioning that several other Rooks did the same).

If, to you, that sounds like normal player behavior, hey. Hell, he could be lying and making the whole thing up. Which is worse? *ShruG* ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2004, 03:04:25 PM »
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Do you honestly think last night was some kind of organized conspiracy to invalidate the ENY system?!? My God man, you're dellusional. ...


Too bad it wasn't. Imagine if Rooks sucked it up for a whole glorious week of slobbering, knuckle-dragging, SBD-loving Horde pillaging?

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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2004, 03:22:19 PM »
zazen: You are not coming close to any thing I have ever said. Quite frankly you might wish to dig up my quotes. And I realy do not apreciated have words put in my mouth that I never said.

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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2004, 03:29:46 PM »
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Too bad it wasn't. Imagine if Rooks sucked it up for a whole glorious week of slobbering, knuckle-dragging, SBD-loving Horde pillaging?


Sounds fun. Get the leaders of Rook command to organize the long-haul war and maybe VF-17 will hop on in to share in the fun and festivities. :)

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2004, 03:38:32 PM »
I think a better solution then the ENY ordeal is to rename the rooks to the 'queens'. Give them fancy pascal colored planes and let the "el gay" horde have its fun. It might not hurt their numbers too bad, but we could just sit around and make fun of them when numbers are too uneven.

(Not that I have anything against actual queens -- the chess pieces, royal family members, and cross-dressing queers.)

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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2004, 03:47:08 PM »
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I think a better solution then the ENY ordeal is to rename the rooks to the 'queens'. Give them fancy pascal colored planes and let the "el gay" horde have its fun. It might not hurt their numbers too bad, but we could just sit around and make fun of them when numbers are too uneven.
 


Only if we can change the nomenclature of "BishNits" to "Bights."

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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2004, 03:50:38 PM »
It's all in the numbers...



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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2004, 04:19:43 PM »
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zazen: You are not coming close to any thing I have ever said. Quite frankly you might wish to dig up my quotes. And I realy do not apreciated have words put in my mouth that I never said.








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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2004, 04:23:43 PM »
Here's mu only problem..The 339thFG was REAL late war...only existed about a year..They only flew the 51B for a real short time...They were a 51D squad...we are modeled after a historic squad and like to fly that way..we have tried to move our squad night to less popular nights to fly but that still hasn't worked...we didn't choose the plane as much as we chose the squad..now we can't hold our squad night and be happy about it....we took a vote to change countries..and at was 75% to stay rook because of the friendships and teamwork we have there...and to put it out there this game darn near lost an entire squad in the matter of 1 day. There has to be a better way to balance sides..the way we are doing it now only causes hate and discontent...and with lack of a better game to play (as far as MMOG flight sims go) what choice do we have but to stay here....HT has us all over a barrel with this:(

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2004, 04:50:08 PM »
I believe that this would have been implemented regardless of who was up and who was down.
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