Before AH becomes Battlenet or Quake

[Mayhem]

You know the crying about the f4u1c, the numbers, the suicide dweebs, the n1k2-j. really has me ticketed off. I think the Perk points was the stupidest idea yet. persally i think if you really wanted to use a perk points to thier full pontential you should have to spend them on just about every thing. your plane, your pilot, your ammo, your ordanance, your fuel, and your repairs. this would make serviving a serios issue in the game. if your pilot dies you have to buy a new one and a new plane. if he is captures you have to buy him out of captiviaty if he is wounded his hospital bill. If he bails and gets home safely then all you have to do is buy a new plane. If you ditch then part of the plane is recoverable. if you land it even if its damaged and all shot up you only have to pay for minor repairs.

start every one with 100 points so they perty much can fly any plane they want in the game fully loaded first time around.

Of corse you would have to leave some plane as cheap or free like say a m16 or a jug or a spit or a yak. some common cheap underused craft mabey even a vehicle.

they way the points system is set up now it favors the dorks that have no life play 16 hours a day 7 days a week and play AH like they do Quake. Probably the same people that crie about planes like the f4u1c and the n1k2-j. they care more about gameplay and points then they do about history and reality. If this is the way AH is going I hope they tell me soon before I waste another 30 bucks on the game. I can play WBs and AW for less.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Mayhem]

Forgive the spelling been up late again and Iam to dam lazy to correct it.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Torgo]

Mayhem wrote:

"Probably the same people that crie about planes like the f4u1c and the n1k2-j. they care more about gameplay and points then they do about history and reality."

Yeah, people who find it a bit odd that an aircraft that only had a production run of 200 and fought for three months at the end of the war has 20% of the kills in the arena "care more about gameplay and points than they do about history and reality."


Are there a lot of idiots in AH? Sure.

Do a lot of these idiots whine about the CHog? Sure.

Are all people in favor of perking the CHog whining idiots? NO.

As I've stated many times, we can't have a rational debate over whether perking the Chog makes for a better game because (understandably, because of the volume and persistence and usual stupidity of whining) there has grown to be a dogmatic group of "anti-whiners" who simply can't stand to see ANY change to AH that actually fixes something that anyone ever whined about, even if it makes sense.

[Mayhem]

n1k2-j had 400 that hit service. it was about the best the japanese had to offer. Point is again I like them both and I like to fly them. I feel I shouldn't have to fly in a spitfire or zeke 16 hours a day 7 days a week to get to fly a f4u1c or n1k2-j the last 2 days of camp. Ide rather just say screw it pay less and fly AW or WBs. why should I be treated less becuase i fly less I pay the same Golly-gee amount of money as every one else does, more money if the 19 dollar newbi plan was put into effect. the flight models are already wacked on the faster planes like the f4u p51 p47 and fw190a8. Every one wants to kill or perk there least favorite ride. Instead of it being a rare chog or n1k2-j crybaby now its to the point of perking (restricting) or outrite limiting and or abolishing the air craft. The way I look at it screw em I pay as much money as them I have as much right to fly what I want to. Otherwise screw it I'll be leaving with the mass exodus due to costomer mistreatment over an overpriced beta game that isn't even finished yet and happens to be an Improved clone of a rip off game. There have been times I've played the 30 bucks a month and only gotten to play about 4 hours that entire month. there was even a month a never did play. I support and pay as much as every one else does. personally Iam starting to wish Ide never gotten into this and stayed in war birds or Air warrior. this is excactly what keeps Aces high in 4th place behind fighter ace, war birds and air warrior. and with the new perk system your going to see alot more people leave specially with the higher system requirments and loss of Frame rates and other bugs such as controll freezes computer lock ups disconects even with a fresh install.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[This message has been edited by Mayhem (edited 01-07-2001).]

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[Nath-BDP]

Take an MMORPG as an example, time put into the game is the ultimate factor, the less time you have the less advanced your character will be. Skill means little in games like those, but you don't see people whining, "I pay the same as the highest level guy on the server, but I don't have the time that he does to sit infront of the computer scree, so I should automatically be the same level as he."

In AH however, being good at the game can overcome the time you can't put into playing AH, if you get in really good sorties for the time you play you'll be on the easy road to perk planes.

I think the problem here is that you just need to get better at AH Mayhem.

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Take an MMORPG as an example, time put into the game is the ultimate factor, the less time you have the less advanced your character will be. Skill means little in games like those, but you don't see people whining, "I pay the same as the highest level guy on the server, but I don't have the time that he does to sit infront of the computer scree, so I should automatically be the same level as he."

In AH however, being good at the game can overcome the time you can't put into playing AH, if you get in really good sorties for the time you play you'll be on the easy road to perk planes.

I think the problem here is that you just need to get better at AH Mayhem.

No such problem specially when you get nearly as many points for a dead mission as you do for one you land. compair the guy that puts in 16 hours a month of game play compaired to someone that puts in 100. we both pay the same price. that same issue keeps me out of Ultima online and everquest. I love RPGs but Ide rather play Final fantasy alone then pay a monthly fee for everquest play for a year just to e outclassed by a newbi that played his first month straight. this is a flight sim not an RPG Iam putting my money into it and now the only thing I get in return is a limited plane set becuase I don't spend every waking hour playing the game. like I said I even payed for months eithe ronly got to play a few hours or didn't get time to play at all. Ive never been a points player any way. I don't play for skill I don't play for points I play for fun. Ive gotten perty good but to me thats only second to having fun. now they want to limit my fun so in return I'll have no choice but to limit my playing time (to zero online) and the funding I provide to the game.


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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Fishu]

Hmm, why Mayhem talks about N1K2 or C hog being hard to fly because of perk points?

If (and hopefully) those two gets perked, it won't need alot perk points to fly those..  so don't be afraid of losing your ride.
Probably LW has more reason to be afraid....
(well.. germans did almost everything in small numbers but few, unlike allied nations)

Hehe.. faster planes.. hehe.. you listed FW190A8... hehe..

Why do you pay then? could think you could do H2H as well if you don't fly more than 4 hours (and woah, no perk points to worry!)
I don't like of this and that in AH, but I won't get that ........ well.. low.

(hmm.. I wonder why that message was edited so many times)

[Nash]

I'm not sure I get your logic regarding how perk points favour those people who fly 16 hours a day. The percentage of time spent building up perk points to the time spent in yer perked plane would be equall, no?

[Betown]

Personably Mayhem. Without insulting you because this is not my intent. Your requests about perk points are unrealistic at best.

What would a pilot who has run out of points do? What would newbie pilots who are not as good as some of the more experienced pilots do?  You really have to ask yourself these questions first before putting a post like that together.

Yes your post was very imaginative.
Yes your post was very creative and obviously you took a lot of time to consider it.
But yes it was VERY controversial.
And No you can't expect people to share your views.

You also have to understand that even people who you say are dweebs, I say are dweebs or anyone else for that matter says are dweebs are just out to have fun the same as us.

Suicidal dweebs bug the heck outa me. But at the end of the day they are paying customers to. We all have bad days when things go wrong and we have to vent. That is essential what a community BBS is for.

I TOTALLY understand what you are saying. But IMO aces high is not like quake and never will be. It is too well controlled to be. Yes there is dweebers flying the Niki. It bugs me to. But I always put it down to the fact that they are better pilots then me and move on.

Keep your chin up bro  

[Yeager]

Ok I just gotta ask: Is this the same Nath as before?  This one sounds a hell of a lot more mature and respectable.

WTG Nath!

Yeager

[Nath-BDP]

Mayhem, you must understand that these simulations or games are in effect a mirror of the real world. In real life you must have skill and dedication in order to succeed, in jobs etc, or do you just go through life trying to "play for fun?" The only reason I play these games is for the challenge and the thrill I get out of defeating another human being in virtual combat, I play for the challenge and I enjoy getting sweaty palms when I find myself flying against someone who has a clue about ACM and A2A combat.

If I didn't have the time to built up perk points I wouldn't mind, cuz I would still be kikking bellybutton in my trusty A8 or 109.

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Betown:
Personably Mayhem. Without insulting you because this is not my intent. Your requests about perk points are unrealistic at best.

What would a pilot who has run out of points do? What would newbie pilots who are not as good as some of the more experienced pilots do?  You really have to ask yourself these questions first before putting a post like that together.

Yes your post was very imaginative.
Yes your post was very creative and obviously you took a lot of time to consider it.
But yes it was VERY controversial.
And No you can't expect people to share your views.

You also have to understand that even people who you say are dweebs, I say are dweebs or anyone else for that matter says are dweebs are just out to have fun the same as us.

Suicidal dweebs bug the heck outa me. But at the end of the day they are paying customers to. We all have bad days when things go wrong and we have to vent. That is essential what a community BBS is for.

I TOTALLY understand what you are saying. But IMO aces high is not like quake and never will be. It is too well controlled to be. Yes there is dweebers flying the Niki. It bugs me to. But I always put it down to the fact that they are better pilots then me and move on.

Keep your chin up bro  

Actually I thought I made the point have having certian planes and ground vehicles (a few very few) that are free. but yes you point is taken and I see a problem with it but I see a problem in the entire perk points set up. Your still getting at least 75% of your mission points if you die. Your not loosing anyhting if you die and didn't do anything in the first place. You add this into the lopsided 3 way war. and it purely leans towards time playing rather then skill. hell my kill ratio (bout the only thing close to points I care about) went to crap with the 1.05 update mostly due to bugs. It was perty much an Idea nothing more but the perk points the way it stand I'll either sped all my time in the training arena or I'll end up droping my HTC acount and play HTH while getting a new WBs or AW account. Theres just way to many flaws and problems with the perk points the way they stand. least my idea of keeping one ugly cheap plane free of initial cost would make it more realistic and make you want to survive intact as much as posible. i was thinking of pricing something like this

1 point every 100 rounds of ammo per and 100lbs of bomb

Bomber ammo free

2 points every 100 rounds of cannon and per rocket.

1 point for every gun

2 points for every system to repair (except gun)

3 points for wounded pilot hospitol bill

4 points for plane recovery (ditch)

8 points for new plane (except freebe)

12 points for new plane with pilot

30 cal ammo free

free plane be a p-40 a6m2 (rahter then a A6m5) spit mk1 val kate betty ju87 or someother early war fighter and bomber.

mabey make some of the later area planes a little more expensive. but within the cost that a few good landed misssions and you could afford it) and the abilaty to sell your ride back for the upgrade.

just an idea but I think its better then having to play for 30 hours to get your perk plane that you used to fly normally.

thanks for not bashing or flaming me I respect your post and glad to see another view that wans't a flame.

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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Mayhem]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Mayhem, you must understand that these simulations or games are in effect a mirror of the real world. In real life you must have skill and dedication in order to succeed, in jobs etc, or do you just go through life trying to "play for fun?" The only reason I play these games is for the challenge and the thrill I get out of defeating another human being in virtual combat, I play for the challenge and I enjoy getting sweaty palms when I find myself flying against someone who has a clue about ACM and A2A combat.

If I didn't have the time to built up perk points I wouldn't mind, cuz I would still be kikking bellybutton in my trusty A8 or 109.

Dedication? to a game? No I feel your wrong here i proved my dedication when I pay 30 bucks a month. even when I didn't play I payed my 30 bucks. when I played 4 hours I payed my 30 bucks. Some people don't live at home with mommy and daddy. some people have more then a part time job. soem peopl ehave famalies and full time jobs to worry about and if they put any game above those then they need to seek profesional help. remember the article about a guy on welfare playing Ultima Online. To me that was sick and that was my tax dollors being missused. I really don't want to slap down the people that spend 100 hours a month playing but those of us with the time constraints deserve equal treatment we pay the same price mabey even more.


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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

[Nath-BDP]

Then why are you here, Mayhem? If you don't dedicate yourself to any game you will never truly enjoy yourself, you'll constantly be losing and I don't see how that is fun.

Face it, the game isn't going to change just because some dude doesn't have what it takes or doesn't want to put time into the game that other people are willing to do. If you have a 'life' then go live it and play AH or don't, deal with it, adapt, that's what humans do. If you don't have the time to build up your points then the MA isn't the thing for you(unless of course you get better and make your time count), many people left when the FM changed (including myself for a short time), but the perk system will no doubt attract more people than those who left.

So, deal with it or leave, its not going to change just because someone "doesn't have the time to play, but others do" That's just ridiculous.

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Nath_____
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
 

"It felt as if an angel was pushing..."
-Reponse of Gen. Adolf Galland after flying the fourth prototype Me 262 in May 1943.

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[Hangtime]

Damn.. this perk thing is really suckin up airtime.. and arena time.

Tell me.. why do you fly?? To accure points? to pump yer score card? (NO INSULT INTENDED HERE!!!!) Do you fly AH solely to compete with other folks you may never ever even see in the adversary role on the score page??

Or are you into teamwork; acm; defense; offence; flyin to stay alive; flyin to achieve a goal; flyin fer yer countrys objectives; flyin for ANY OTHER REASON than score card issues or perk point issues?

Answer that question honestly TO YOUR SELF (rest of us ain't interested; regardless of the answer); then be honest on these boards and in your cockpit. Fly for whatever reasons yah want.. but be honest about it.

And note that the developer has provided for EITHER MINDSET. You don't like 'perk' stuff? Just ignore it. You don't like flyin missions? Just ignore 'em. You wanna go fly fer scores; go right ahead. You wanna fly strat and use teamwork?? Fine; we got tools fer that too.

Something here for everybody.. just do yer thing. But fer crissakes folks; please stop raining on the parade of progress in the sim; ok? Everybody will find their niche.. whatever they may like, there's some of that, whatever it might be, in here already.

Hang