Russia, I've hard this some where before.

[cpxxx]

CIA-sponsored terrorist supporting organisation.

Really!

Chechen atrocities don't justify for Russian atrocities which doesn't justify what those monsters did in Beslan. You would be quick enough to condemm America if they did the same.

 

They call it a "cultural tradition of a small but brave highlander nation" that didn't have an idea of writing before evil Russians came.

 

Yes Russia absorbed them for their own good.

It is always the fate of the conqueror to be puzzled at the ingratitude of the conquered.

In Soviet times I realised that we in the west were taught a more accurate version of Russian history than the Soviet citizens were allowed. That habit is hard to break.

Like or not Putin has created a monster which he now must kill without creating new monsters.


JBA

One more ally in the World war against terror, maybe France and Germany will wake up next?

Both have been and are an ally. France was fighting and suffering Islamic terror long before 911.

[Wotan]

There are less extreme Chechen's who do not support terror. It is with these forces that the US State Department is referring to when calling for a "political solution" in Chechnya.

They certainly aren't calling for Putin to negotiate directly with the type of scum that carried out the attack at Breslan.

The US doesn’t have such an entity to negotiate with. The Israelis do but only as far as the Arafat and company to take it.

The thing of it is is that the terrorists don't really want a political solution in Chechnya any more then the terrorists in Iraq or in Palestine do.

They thrive under conflict and need it to perpetuate their importance among the "suffering". It is from this group that they find the suicide bombers.

Putin won’t ever do this because he will look weak in front of the Russian people. As this war escalated it now has become a "blood war". Kill my son I will kill your entire family etc...

With this reality the only other solution is to exterminate the terrorists and potential terrorists entirely.

We know the west won’t ever go in that extreme. They will always seek a political solution even to a point where it becomes irrational.

What will Putin do? Anything short of extermination will only perpetuate the blood war. Without the will to decide on a political solution or to declare total war the situation will remain as is. Eye for an Eye, son for son; daughter for daughter.

[Roscoroo]

I feel like watching  "Sum of all fears"

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Roscoroo
I feel like watching  "Sum of all fears"

The book is better.

[B17Skull12]

let them lay waste.  who kind of sick tulips  kill children?

[AKWeav]

This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death."

I say we make em happy, and give em what they love

[Gunslinger]

A top Russian general on Wednesday warned the military will strike "terrorist bases in any region of the world,"

"As for carrying out preventive strikes against terrorist bases, we will take all measures to liquidate terrorist bases in any region of the world," Baluyevsky told reporters.

sounds alot like the Bush docterine to me!  I wonder if it will take 3 years for them to be called imperialist arab haters.

[JBA]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
sounds alot like the Bush docterine to me!  I wonder if it will take 3 years for them to be called imperialist arab haters.

and accused of "rushing to war".

[demaw1]

Kill children ?

   These islimic pukes befriended some of the towns people when they helped to build the school. All the while hiding weapons in the walls,burying them etc.

 Kill children , no they just didnt kill children.

  They gave them no water for the 3 days they had them,they made them drink their urine. They made them sit in there own excreatment. They gouaged the eyes out of some of them. They raped every little girl they could.

 When they blew the roof they killed a lot of children, panicked, the other kids ran for the doors,they then proceeded to shoot the children in the back. When some of them ran out of ammo, they started stabing as many as they could. One 3 year old had 12 stab wounds designed to not kill quick.

 Where is the outrage from c.a.r.e. The protest in the streets of America...Ya I am a racest.

 If that is what it takes, then I gladly accept that mantle.I will admit this, the russians are not home free, but the pukes have targetted children now ,

 And so many think it wont happen here ,well guess what something like it is happenning in afganstan now,look at drudge report.,

  When I read this I had tears in my eyes,I have no doubt some of you will say I am a coward,fine ,so be it.

[SaburoS]

Is there ever a justification to target, then kill innocent civillians (from the infants to the elderly)? I'd say no.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by demaw1
Kill children ?

   These islimic pukes befriended some of the towns people when they helped to build the school. All the while hiding weapons in the walls,burying them etc.

 Kill children , no they just didnt kill children.

  They gave them no water for the 3 days they had them,they made them drink their urine. They made them sit in there own excreatment. They gouaged the eyes out of some of them. They raped every little girl they could.

 When they blew the roof they killed a lot of children, panicked, the other kids ran for the doors,they then proceeded to shoot the children in the back. When some of them ran out of ammo, they started stabing as many as they could. One 3 year old had 12 stab wounds designed to not kill quick.

 Where is the outrage from c.a.r.e. The protest in the streets of America...Ya I am a racest.

 If that is what it takes, then I gladly accept that mantle.I will admit this, the russians are not home free, but the pukes have targetted children now ,

 And so many think it wont happen here ,well guess what something like it is happenning in afganstan now,look at drudge report.,

  When I read this I had tears in my eyes,I have no doubt some of you will say I am a coward,fine ,so be it.

Demaw,
You and I may have our disagreements, but I would never consider you a coward, ever. I can't see how anyone would see that in you.
It takes a brave man sometimes to let down his guard to show his emotions. You're human, dude.

[Edbert]

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Wotan
With this reality the only other solution is to exterminate the terrorists and potential terrorists entirely.

We know the west won’t ever go in that extreme. They will always seek a political solution even to a point where it becomes irrational.

What will Putin do? Anything short of extermination will only perpetuate the blood war. Without the will to decide on a political solution or to declare total war the situation will remain as is. Eye for an Eye, son for son; daughter for daughter.

Well said.

What I see: use Israely experience and bulldoze homes of therrorists families. For one illegal weapon - sentence all the family, for "deliberate collective posession of illegal weapons". Exile them for life. Not to Kazakh steppes this times, but to Arctic tundra, 1000km from nearest railway.

Every settlement where terrorists hide must be completely destroy if the elders will not give them up in 24 hours.

Anyone suspected in crimes should be immediately exiled.

Take little kids from terrorist families and send them to Cadet schools.

The only language they understand is force. They should never have a slightest feeling that we are weak.

This is the way they were pacified 150 years ago. It still works. Make them hunt terrorists themselves. If they want to live in peace - the elders of their tribes must give up terrorists dead or alive.

No unnessesary violence. Just follow the law. And forget about "human rights" for terrorists. If they are caught with arms - they are immediately destroyed, and any collateral damage is their fault. No building, settlement or life of any number of terrorist supporters is worth one life of Russian soldier or civilian. If someone shoots from the village - use Grad. Federal forces should use more BM-21 Grad shells then AK-74 ammo. Everyone who tells on Western TV that his house was shelled by jet mortars is a liar.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Boroda

 If they are caught with arms - they are immediately destroyed

I agree with Pavel here. Terrorists should not have arms.





Or legs for that matter.

-Sik

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Boroda
Well said.

What I see: use Israely experience and bulldoze homes of therrorists families. For one illegal weapon - sentence all the family, for "deliberate collective posession of illegal weapons". Exile them for life. Not to Kazakh steppes this times, but to Arctic tundra, 1000km from nearest railway.

Every settlement where terrorists hide must be completely destroy if the elders will not give them up in 24 hours.

Anyone suspected in crimes should be immediately exiled.

Take little kids from terrorist families and send them to Cadet schools.

The only language they understand is force. They should never have a slightest feeling that we are weak.

This is the way they were pacified 150 years ago. It still works. Make them hunt terrorists themselves. If they want to live in peace - the elders of their tribes must give up terrorists dead or alive.

No unnessesary violence. Just follow the law. And forget about "human rights" for terrorists. If they are caught with arms - they are immediately destroyed, and any collateral damage is their fault. No building, settlement or life of any number of terrorist supporters is worth one life of Russian soldier or civilian. If someone shoots from the village - use Grad. Federal forces should use more BM-21 Grad shells then AK-74 ammo. Everyone who tells on Western TV that his house was shelled by jet mortars is a liar.

Ahh yes, deport all the Chechens again..  That really showed them the first time...

And use massive artilery fire to raze whole cities...  Yep, that really worked the first TWO times this was done to Grozny..

Federal forces should use more BM-21 Grad [rocket] shells then AK-74 ammo. Everyone who tells on Western TV that his house was shelled by jet mortars is a liar.

Maybe you should volunteer to travel to Chechnya and educate these people as to the different russian artillery weapons that were used to indisciminately kill their families, livestok and destroy their home..  They would apppreciate it, really...