asault weapons ban

[Sixpence]

Here is some more  http://feinstein.senate.gov/04Releases/awb.html

"The assault weapons ban has proven to be effective since it was enacted. In fact, the proportion of banned assault weapons traced to crimes has dropped by 65.8% since 1995, according to data from the Department of Justice. In 1995, the first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in crimes."

“Although I voted against the ban a decade ago, over the past ten years, it has reduced crime dramatically and has made our streets safer, The legislation also has protected the rights of gun owners better than many of us predicted.  I'm pleased to join President Bush in supporting a reasonable extension of this important law.” - John W. Warner (R-VA)

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Sixpence
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=awb

Q: Does law enforcement support the ban on assault weapons?

A: Every major national law enforcement organization in the country supported the federal assault weapons ban and worked for its passage. Among the many law enforcement organization that supported the ban are the Law Enforcement Steering Committee, the Fraternal Order of Police, the National Sheriffs' Association, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the Major City Chiefs Association, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the National Association of Police Organizations

That's not a source it's a statement from a propaganda website. They cite political organizations not polls of rank file officers.

FYI the "sources" would be found in the endnotes.

You can find proof by doing a search all on your own. You clearly are familiar with the intardnet to find the above.

[Sixpence]

Try again

[Wotan]

Feinstein and Brady is your "proof"? Are you serious?

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Wotan
Feinstein and Brady is your "proof"? Are you serious?

Where is yours, at least I provide something

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Otto
I just want those 18 round mags for my Glock 17.  The Police have them.  The Criminals have them.  

    But a law abiding citizen with a registered firearm and a permit to carry it can't.

But you CAN already, unless there's something at your state/city/county level that says otherwise. You just need to pay 300% prices for 'pre-ban' merchandise is all. I've got 6 pre-ban high-cap mags for my Glocks, all 100% legal and without need for permit..

[mauser]

Wording of the Assault Weapons ban from the law itself, from the 103rd Congress:

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/h3355_en.htm

Go to "TITLE XI--FIREARMS SUBTITLE A--ASSAULT WEAPONS"

Under "DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON"
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
                `(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
              firearms in any caliber, known as--
                    `(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
                  Kalashnikovs (all models);
                    `(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
                  Galil;
                    `(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
                    `(iv) Colt AR-15;
                    `(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
                    `(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
                    `(vii) Steyr AUG;
                    `(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
                    `(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar
                  to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
                `(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
              detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
                    `(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
                    `(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
                  the action of the weapon;
                    `(iii) a bayonet mount;
                    `(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to
                  accommodate a flash suppressor; and
                    `(v) a grenade launcher;
                `(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a
              detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
                    `(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
                  outside of the pistol grip;
                    `(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
                  extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
                    `(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
                  completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the
                  shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand
                  without being burned;
                    `(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the
                  pistol is unloaded; and
                    `(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
                `(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
                    `(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
                    `(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
                  the action of the weapon;
                    `(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
                    `(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'.


Once again... APPEARANCE.  Look up what a Mini-14 is and look up what an AR-15 is.  

mauser

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Sixpence
at least I provide something

That may mean something to a liberal but as far as I can see you provided nothing that either proves Silat's claim or disproves my reply to him.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Try again

Yes, you should.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Wotan
That may mean something to a liberal but as far as I can see you provided nothing  

Like you provided nothing

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Yes, you should.

And I meant to find a report, not an editorial. And a factual report.

But, it's not my resposibility to educate you.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Lazerus
But, it's not my resposibility to educate you.

or yourself it seems

[mauser]

Are you only going to believe reports and ignore what's coming from the horses mouth?

Besides the Police Magazine forum, here's another from a long time police officer who helps to moderate The High Road, Oleg Volk's Second Amendment forum:

Some national police organizations support gun control because the Clinton administration bought their support with DOJ grants. Many of the organizations who are supporting renewal have memberships that are made up of politically appointed administrators, not street cops.

I hadn't heard that the FOP was supporting renewal. Considering the flack they took from the rank and file membership over their support for gun control in the early 90s, I'm surprised they take any position. The FOP is a labor union, just like the Teamsters and Steelworkers. As a labor organization they often take the democratic party line on all issues.

To say that all peace officers support renewal of the AWB because some professional oganizations do is just incorrect. In fact any time rank and file officers have been polled, they have always favored RKBA in big numbers. The Southern Police Benevolent Association poll is a good example.

If you say the police officer support renewal bcause their administrators do, or because their union hacks do, is the same as making the same statement about Teamsters, Steelworkers and almost every other union. Are you prepared to paint the rank and file of every labor union in the country with that broad brush?

Jeff

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by mauser
Are you only going to believe reports and ignore what's coming from the horses mouth?

So if I find officers that support , I am right?

[mauser]

Originally posted by Sixpence
So if I find officers that support , I am right?

Geez.  Silat said that the officers of this NATION support the AWB.  We said this is not true.  You keep asking us for proof.  There is ample evidence that what Silat said is FALSE.  Just what is it that YOU'RE trying to say?

mauser