'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm371
The military is usually very thorough before handing out medals. So, the answer is no.

They don't seem to be as sure as you are.  They're investigating it.

[JBA]

Originally posted by rpm371
Admit it Martlet, your boy was a drunk, a druggie and a draft dodger. .

Why are you bringing Bill Clinton into this?

[Saurdaukar]

Son of the late officer/writer also questions the memo.

Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said one of the memos, signed by his father, appeared legitimate. But he doubted his father would have written another, unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review.

"It just wouldn't happen," he said. "The only thing that can happen when you keep secret files like that are bad things. ... No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."

[MrLars]

But the use of the superscript "th" in one document - "111th F.I.S" - gave each expert pause. They said that is an automatic feature found in current versions of Microsoft Word, and it's not something that was even possible more than 30 years ago.

Those of us who typed on the new Selectrics beginning in the early 60's appreciated the new features and ease of use....here's a neat little explination of the 'th' and how it was used on the SelectricII which had been available since the early 60's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter

The Selectric II had a lever (above the right platen knob) that would allow the platen to be turned freely but return to the same vertical line (for inserting such symbols as subscripts and superscripts), whereas the Selectric I did not.

Some expert...huh?

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by MrLars
But the use of the superscript "th" in one document - "111th F.I.S" - gave each expert pause. They said that is an automatic feature found in current versions of Microsoft Word, and it's not something that was even possible more than 30 years ago.

Those of us who typed on the new Selectrics beginning in the early 60's appreciated the new features and ease of use....here's a neat little explination of the 'th' and how it was used on the SelectricII which had been available since the early 60's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter

The Selectric II had a lever (above the right platen knob) that would allow the platen to be turned freely but return to the same vertical line (for inserting such symbols as subscripts and superscripts), whereas the Selectric I did not.

Some expert...huh?

Still nothing that says the Texas Air National guard had that particular expensive typewriter.

By the way..I don't know why..but your avatar pi$$es me off.

[IK0N]

Originally posted by MrLars
But the use of the superscript "th" in one document - "111th F.I.S" - gave each expert pause. They said that is an automatic feature found in current versions of Microsoft Word, and it's not something that was even possible more than 30 years ago.

Those of us who typed on the new Selectrics beginning in the early 60's appreciated the new features and ease of use....here's a neat little explination of the 'th' and how it was used on the SelectricII which had been available since the early 60's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter

The Selectric II had a lever (above the right platen knob) that would allow the platen to be turned freely but return to the same vertical line (for inserting such symbols as subscripts and superscripts), whereas the Selectric I did not.

Some expert...huh?

The Th isnt the smoking gun, the kerning or letter spacing wasn't an option on any Selectric typewriter.. Anyway they overlayed the document on top of a word 2000 doc and the spacing lined up perfectly... The doc was written with a word processor....
 Is it so hard to believe someone could pass a forged doc?!
seems like a normal election stunt this year!

IKON

[ASTAC]

Election year politics are just getting too nasty...what has democracy in America come to..Matbe we should let Congress appoint a dictator and hang up this Presidential Election BS....Just getting sick of it...sick of the jabs from both sides...sick of people who are getting dang near militant with their attack and their defense of their canidates.

[Maverick]

In every military instllation, both Active and Guard / Reserve, that I have been in I have never seen a typewriter like that picture posted on this BBS. The ones I saw were the basic IBM selectric, no frills and certainly no spacing changes. You could change the type ball but that was it.


Funny it seems that a couple weeks ago kerry was demanding Bush stop the negative attacks on kerry's service record. Bush never did any of the attacks and in fact said publicly he honored kerry for his service, but now kerry is all over Bush and attacking his service. Quite hypocritcal IMO.

[Eagler]

[Eagler]

Originally posted by rpm371

[MrLars]

Originally posted by IK0N
The Th isnt the smoking gun, the kerning or letter spacing wasn't an option on any Selectric typewriter.. Anyway they overlayed the document on top of a word 2000 doc and the spacing lined up perfectly... The doc was written with a word processor....
 Is it so hard to believe someone could pass a forged doc?!
seems like a normal election stunt this year!

IKON

Kerning was automatic on the Seletrics and if the docs typeface and inclusion of subscript etc. are suspect then GWB's AF7 is also.

Type spacing and virtualy all aspects of manual typography have been pretty much standardized since the early 30's. It's not hard with todays computers to be able to create an overlay showing exact same image but the ability to so so easily when working from a typewritten and printed original would take skill and time....how hard was it for these people to tweak their overlay to match should be the question.

Lastly, the Whitehouse released the same documents, do you think they'd release forged docs without indicating what they were?

[ra]

Lastly, the Whitehouse released the same documents, do you think they'd release forged docs without indicating what they were?

The Whitehouse released the documents they got from CBS.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by MrLars
Kerning was automatic on the Seletrics and if the docs typeface and inclusion of subscript etc. are suspect then GWB's AF7 is also.

Type spacing and virtualy all aspects of manual typography have been pretty much standardized since the early 30's.  

So how would one go about typing a superscript 'th' on a selectric?

You roll up the carriage 1/2 a line and then... do you then have to change the ball to get a smaller font for the superscript then change back for typing the remainder of a rountine memorandum?

Or possibly was there a ball available that has special 'th', 'st', and 'nd' small font superscript characters available? What button do you push on the keyboard to access this function?

Just asking...

[JBA]

Ole Danny boy must be feeling kind of stupid right about now. His rectum must be tighter then a mummies tomb, if those docs are indeed fakes.
Hay Dan instead of rushing out to shill for Kerry, you should practice sound journalism and Corroborate  the story.



"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.

The source, who asked not to be named, described CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather as being privately "shell-shocked" by the increasingly likelihood that the documents in question were fraudulent.

Rather, who anchored the segment presenting new information on the president's military service, will personally correct the record on-air, if need be, the source explained from New York

[AKIron]

Rather might correct the record but he'll never undo the damage done to his and CBS' reputation. Wonder how many times the NYT will carry this on their front page?