Zazen

[Urchin]

I think you probably ought to get together with Voss, Zazen.  Between the two of you I believe you coule probably design the best flight sim Evar...  hands down.  

Hell, he's already got most of the code in place, with a small contribution to the operating costs I'm sure he could cut you in on the deal.

[Ratnick]

Ever heard of 2 dimensions versus 3 dimensions? you lack an understanding of physics and numbers. My 'pie hole' remains open and I'm sorry I'm wasting your time. Polishing ones own brass in pubilc is considered bad manners and a waiste of time. Judging form the numbers of posts it's obvious that people waxing about nothing are waisting time.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Ratnick
Ever heard of 2 dimensions versus 3 dimensions? you lack an understanding of physics and numbers. My 'pie hole' remains open and I'm sorry I'm wasting your time. Polishing ones own brass in pubilc is considered bad manners and a waiste of time. Judging form the numbers of posts it's obvious that people waxing about nothing are waisting time.

We don't actually play in 3 dimensions, depth is only 'implied' graphically, but not actually existant. I'll prove it to you with a little experiment you can try at home. Shove your fist into the 3rd dimension (depth) in your monitor, let us know what happens, k?



Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Urchin
I think you probably ought to get together with Voss, Zazen.  Between the two of you I believe you coule probably design the best flight sim Evar...  hands down.  

Hell, he's already got most of the code in place, with a small contribution to the operating costs I'm sure he could cut you in on the deal.

 

Zazen

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
It hasn't changed the balance at all really

No .... it did. And it still does. Within less than 24 hours the ENY limiter had the desired effect in regards to balancing numbers (which seemed to be the main concern of many here on the BBS at the time).

Has the cure killed the patient? Well, that remains to be seen. Some say yes ... poof ... I'm outa here and so are all my friends! But some say no. It's fine. Let the whiners go. Gangrene! Some came back because of it. Some just flat don't care.

You're the self-proclaimed statistician of AH. I'm sure you didn't just pull that 25% figure out of your arse, right (though it may be an approximation since you have a question mark in brackets)? You've seen HTC's client base printed, certainly. Number of current accounts, number of new accounts, number of cancelled accounts, customer feedback emails.

I haven't so I won't even pretend to know exactly what the influx or losses are. I suspected there might be a period of readjustment no matter what HT implemented.

But if you really want to do some genuine statistical analysis and not just claim you are then let's see if we can get HT to agree to this:

Tommorrow it'll be one month to the day that patch 8 was released. If it's merely a matter of being able to turn it off and on, let's ask HT to flip the switch off.

Then we can start a thread where players can post the playercount in the MA at any given day and time for a month.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.

On a slightly related survey, they can post player number by rook, bishop and knight.

Or is it supposedly a bad idea because I haven't been flying in the MA enough?

[4510]

Originally posted by Arlo
Something about since I didn't fly the MA much this week (and yeah, I don't fly there nearly as much as the CT) that I can't tell when a whine is a whine or somethin' like that.

Don't you think it a little presumptious to spend almost no time in an arena and then participate very vocally in most threads associated with that arena?  

How do you form your opinions on the need for.. or the effectiveness of an change in that arena if you don't even fly there?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by 4510
Don't you think it a little presumptious to spend almost no time in an arena and then participate very vocally in most threads associated with that arena?  

How do you form your opinions on the need for.. or the effectiveness of an change in that arena if you don't even fly there?

All I did was offer a suggestion in a thread where HT asked what methods players would suggest to address the numbers imbalance in the MA. After that all I've basically done is laugh at some of the excuses players will give to avoid switching sides at all costs. It's not nearly as presumptious as you make it out to be.

Ain't life funny?

[4510]

Originally posted by Arlo
All I did was offer a suggestion in a thread where HT asked what methods players would suggest to address the numbers imbalance in the MA. After that all I've basically done is laugh at some of the excuses players will give to avoid switching sides at all costs. It's not nearly as presumptious as you make it out to be.

Ain't life funny?

Well sometimes life is funny and sometimes it isn't.  I've always thought good communication relied upon all sides at least acknowledging the other's position, and proceed from there.  This BBS is very quick to jump on the "It's a WHINE" band wagon.

All that aside.... after offering your idea (which was adopted) wouldn't you WANT to spend more time in the MA and see what effect it is having?  Float around different countries and listen to what they have to say?  Then you'd have an ingame read on how folks like the idea you came up with.  I don't think this BBS reflects ingame reality very well.   (caveat follows: But that is just personal opinion.  I have no data on the number of account holders, active flyers, and number of individuals that post here.  But I suspect the first two numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those that post her.)

[mechanic]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Thanks Batfink, I totally understood that about your original post. Be aware that these individuals taking pot-shots at me do so in each and every thread I am involved in and some I am not. They would argue with me if I said the Earth was round and the sun sets in the East. Urchin, AK-AK, Arlo, Dipstick et al. are part of the crowd that 'loves to hate' me for whatever reasons. Please don't take their off-topic criticisms of me and my particular method of enjoying the game as them misinterpreting your original post. I have no doubt, in fact, that just because your original post was a compliment to me that it got their lil' panties in a bunch, they hate that I am good at anything and get recognized for it publicy. (they'd much rather it was them getting the recognition )

Zazen

but i also like these characters who you have disagreements with.

i am not siding with anyone.


it sure is fun to watch all this though.

lets hear about you accident.

whats that all about?

bat

[Urchin]

Well... from what I understand he threw his back out while whipping his dick out on the table during a conversation on who the best driver was in Nascar.

By the way numbnuts... the sun doesn't set in the east.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by 4510
Well sometimes life is funny and sometimes it isn't.  I've always thought good communication relied upon all sides at least acknowledging the other's position, and proceed from there.  This BBS is very quick to jump on the "It's a WHINE" band wagon.

All that aside.... after offering your idea (which was adopted) wouldn't you WANT to spend more time in the MA and see what effect it is having?  Float around different countries and listen to what they have to say?  Then you'd have an ingame read on how folks like the idea you came up with.  I don't think this BBS reflects ingame reality very well.   (caveat follows: But that is just personal opinion.  I have no data on the number of account holders, active flyers, and number of individuals that post here.  But I suspect the first two numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those that post her.)

I may, I may not. You assume I made the suggestion out of a genuine concern for the disparity of numbers in the Main. I merely suggested a method to deal with it and it happened to be the method applied. It had a surprising (even to me) immediate impact.

That being said, it also managed to prove that there may actually be more players interested in not switching to balance numbers (with any number of excuses involved) than there are in doing so (which I once again remind you was the apparent concern of both the HTC and a significant number of players at the time).

Now you and Zazen may feel somewhat indignant that the suggestion was made by a player that spends most of his time playing in the CT (and even then doesn't spend as much time playing AH as he used to). And you may feel even more put off by the fact that the suggestion was taken to heart and given a try.

You certainly seem to feel that Zazen is proving his stance by focusing on that, somehow.

If that's the case, I suppose I can devote every minute of spare time to sit in an Ostie in the MA so I can suddenly be right about this. But I don't think that'll squelch the warbling going on here on the BBS.

Nothing will.

Zen meditate on that, dudes.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Urchin
By the way numbnuts... the sun doesn't set in the east.

It was a tongue in cheek joke...jeez! Lighten up lol

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by 4510
 I don't think this BBS reflects ingame reality very well.   (caveat follows: But that is just personal opinion.  I have no data on the number of account holders, active flyers, and number of individuals that post here.  But I suspect the first two numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those that post her.)

I think the figure I last saw was 10% of registered players READ these forums and half that number (5%) actively participate in them. So, you are entirely correct in that these forums are not an accurate sampling of actual player sentiment on any issue.

Zazen

[4510]

Originally posted by Arlo
I may, I may not. You assume I made the suggestion out of a genuine concern for the disparity of numbers in the Main.

Actually Arlo I'm not assuming anything.  Didn't even know it was your idea until I read this thread.  The only understanding I have of your motives is by what you post.


That being said, it also managed to prove that there may actually be more players interested in not switching to balance numbers (with any number of excuses involved) than there are in doing so (which I once again remind you was the apparent concern of both the HTC and a significant number of players at the time).

From what I have seen I would tend to agree with you here.  However, we weren't after mass migration but a small migration.  Since neither of us has any hard data it is just a sense sort of thing, but I do think we are seeing more migration than the past.


Now you and Zazen may feel somewhat indignant that the suggestion was made by a player that spends most of his time playing in the CT (and even then doesn't spend as much time playing AH as he used to). And you may feel even more put off by the fact that the suggestion was taken to heart and given a try.

May is the appropriate word to use.  I have formed no opinion on your long running discussion with Zazen and I don't know that I am inclined to.  I tended to ask my questions based on early posts of my own where I chided HT for, IMHO, not reaching out to the community on such a major issue.  The responses I got were all focused on it being addressed on the BBS.  Learning today that the idea came from you and your  limited arena time both before and after the change interested me... or confirmed my earlier concerns that we aren't making decisions based upon a good "feel" for the MA but rather a detached viewpoint.  Whether arena time is needed to come with an idea, or that an idea presented even represents good faith on the part of the presenter etc. those are all pretty deep subjects.  


You certainly seem to feel that Zazen is proving his stance by focusing on that, somehow.

As I said before ... I haven't read deeply into your discussion with Zazen... rather I  was focusing on the fact you are the author for the ENY fix that we are using...  considered all your posts across the BBS commenting on motives, recommended conduct, choices, etc. of people who don't like the ENY fix... and well.... before when I considered your opinions I thought they came from at least a middle ground.  Thus I could use them as sort of a frame of reference for my own opinions. (see I am a Rook and that could color my opinions) The revelation of your involvement in recommending this type of fix puts a different light on it.  Not saying it is bad... but for someone to appreciate your opinions... it would be well for them to know where you are coming from.
Sort of like reading a product recommendation concerning a Ford Company Automobile by a Road and Track writer and then learning that the writer owned stock or consulted part time for Ford.
 

If that's the case, I suppose I can devote every minute of spare time to sit in an Ostie in the MA so I can suddenly be right about this.


  You do what you think is right Arlo.  I only asked YOUR opinion on whether you thought it was presumptious.. etc.  I guess I asked you to grade yourself.  I now have enough information to establish a frame of reference for when I read your input.  It is for me and me alone.  Everyone else can make their own call.
 
As for the Ostie.. that would terribly boring I would think.  Unless you shoot as well as Zazen is reportedly capable of.  I can't hit the broadside of a barn in one.  

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by 4510

Originally posted by Arlo

As for the Ostie.. that would terribly boring I would think.  Unless you shoot as well as Zazen is reportedly capable of.  I can't hit the broadside of a barn in one.  

When you are able to hit a bird in the eye flying at 1.5k in an Ostwind then get to sit back and listen to the crying on channel 200, it's anything BUT boring.

Zazen