Author Topic: what if. (Read 1622 times)

MrCoffee · « **Reply #30 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:18:42 AM »

When NK finaly goes down, its going to be one of two outcomes. Whether its people in the havoc take power or NK goes south as a last gesture. War is a great motivator.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #31 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:25:02 AM »

NK has no significant navy. NK has no significnat airforce.

All they have is large unweildy 1960s era Soviet style land aramy with old equipent much of which is in exterememly poor repair.

Their only real threat now, and the only reason NK still exists is thae artillery around Seoul. Thsi would tens or kill hundreds of thousands of peopel before it was all knocked out. After that NK is done.

In a war they will quickly have no fuel, they will have no food, they will have no resupply, no standing factories, nothing.

It wouldnt be as easy as taking Iraq but it would be nothing like the firstr Korean war. No Chinese support or troops, no technological parity beteen US and the enemy, no air combat, nothing.

Thats why NK is building a nuke, either as a detterant or a ploy to get the USA to sign a pledge of non agression.

MrCoffee · « **Reply #32 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:40:09 AM »

Their only chance of survival is their relations with China.

Fishu · « **Reply #33 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:21:25 AM »

Just keep in mind US is already havings troops in Iraq and Afganistan.
It is already a noticeable burden.

N.Korea would need alot more troops than Iraq.
In Iraq there was paid off commanders, troops with low morale and training, etc.
However N.Korea has alot of troops which are much more committed to defending their beloved earthly god figure than Iraqis.
The terrain is also alot different.
Every damned village has a homeguard units or whatever they refer to them as and they're all up for searching possible spies and what not.

Their hardware might be very old, but they got lots and lots of much better brainwashed troops than Iraq could of dream of.

Not sure about their level of training though..
They do have kick arse royal guard units, but thats probably just the guards and maybe a few insignificant 'frontline' troops.
Averagely they're probably far more fanatical than skilled, but likely better than the iraqis, who had neither due to Saddams misdeeds towards regular army troops. (guess he should've kept them in better shape

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Staga · « **Reply #34 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:32:02 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Suave read:

http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm

Interesting read; I was comparing the man power figures found from Here

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:34:25 AM »

The NK army soldier is not in good shape as it is now. I just heard thast the NK army reduced physical standards for conscription because of the effects of malnutrion on physical development. He would be in much much worse shape when the USA stops feeding him during a war..

You see American food aid provides NK with much of its food, and most of that is illegally diverted to feed the army, a lot of the rest goes on black market. All of it would stop in a war.

If it wasnt so sad it would be comical. We in the USA provide food and fuel oil aid to prop up a crumbling country that is blackmailing us with nukes and thousands of artillery pieces around an allys capital..

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #36 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:50:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Interesting read; I was comparing the man power figures found from Here

Oops I thought yiu were Suave sorry..

The figures in the article square with the CIA factbook. Even the defense budget figures are spot on. CIA factbook is the first place I checked when I intially read the article..

Do you think the nubers at CIA favor your stance of NK military might?

CIA factbook figures:

NK has 23 million people

SK has 48 million people

NK has 3.6 million men fit for service.

SK has 9 million men fit for service.

NK defense budget is 5 billion dollars a yaer..

SK defense budget is 15 billion dollars a year...

Do you really think SK gets a bad deal out of spending 3x as much as the north on defense? And more per capita?

Not to mention that SK are well fed, phisically fit and developmentally superior (no food, no protein, noot good for your brain). Also their army has a far more flexible and responsive system, much more freedom of intiative, more modern weapons etc etc..

So do you really favor a 1,000,000 man outdated starving NK army over a 700,000 man modern well fed SK army that has an immediate access to 5,000,000 trained and healthy reservits?

Do you think that NK can match 5,000,000 trined and health reservists?

Though I gotta say the NK put on some kickass parades, they are the only ones I have seen come close to or match Waffen-SS in goose stepping...

Wont do them much good aginst JDAMs though...

Staga · « **Reply #37 on:** September 13, 2004, 03:12:20 AM »

Yep and that's why I think NK wants to get a nuke; they've realized in their twisted minds that they're not able to stop S-Koreas army if, for some crazy reason, it would decide to take a walk over the DMZ straight to the Pyongyang.

Momus-- · « **Reply #38 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:03:17 AM »

North Korea doesn't sit on some of the biggest known hydrocarbon deposits on the planet. Likewise, North Korea didn't redenominate it's oil sales in the Euro at the expense of the Dollar, and sign massive exploitation contracts with US commercial rivals in France and Russia, thus threatening the strategic grip the US feels it needs on a shortly to be diminishing resource.

But even if North Korea did fit this profile, G.W.Bush could never go beyond sabre rattling towards North Korea for fear of offending China, it is that simple. It's a moot point anyway; if North Korea did sit on that kind of mineral wealth, the Chinese would have already invaded and no-one could have stopped them anyway.

Saintaw · « **Reply #39 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:42:03 AM »

Hallo I am korea!!!111

*crr crrr crrr*

Staga · « **Reply #40 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:44:09 AM »

gogogogogogogogo korea! ^_^

deSelys · « **Reply #41 on:** September 13, 2004, 07:13:27 AM »

1. Prolly not
2. Certainly more
3. Dunno, but prolly more from Europe
4. Certainly yes

NK is a much bigger world threat than Iraq IMO.

OTOH, what are the US doing with their 'ally and friend' Pakistan??

1. it's certainly no democracy
2. lots of radical muslims, ambigous relations with Al-Quaeda
3. biggest source of black market nuclear material...
4. hasn't signed a nuclear non-proliferation treaty (along with India and Israel)
5. India and Pakistan are a keg of powder waiting for a spark...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2004, 10:47:03 AM »

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I HATE AMERICA

deSelys · « **Reply #43 on:** September 13, 2004, 11:04:42 AM »

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McCarthy is teh R0XX0R!!!!1111

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #44 on:** September 13, 2004, 11:11:35 AM »

Though he went overboard MCarthy was often right about his accusations and he did spotlight some real problems during a very dangerous time for our country..