Eny comes..... I go.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
in all honesty I actualy like this idea NUKE, it would prob work alot better I would think

How so?  The incentive should be for the players on the unbalancing team to log off or switch sides in order to balance things.  Their reward for doing so is a complete planeset.  If you make the punishments universal, you remove all incentives for balancing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
How so?  The incentive should be for the players on the unbalancing team to log off or switch sides in order to balance things.  Their reward for doing so is a complete planeset.  If you make the punishments universal, you remove all incentives for balancing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Reward?

The responsibility to make the numbers even is not mine.


Make PUNISHMENTS ( a great description) universal and make ALL paying customers PUNISHED until the numbers balance.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by NUKE
Reward?

The responsibility to make the numbers even is not mine.

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Yes, it is.  That's the whole point.

Make PUNISHMENTS ( a great description) universal and make ALL paying customers PUNISHED until the numbers balance.

Those who are completely outnumbered are already punished.  Removing planes from them further punishes them in addition to this despite their having no control over the punishment.  After all, which side is a totally outnumbered player supposed to switch to anyway in order to remove the plane limiter?  Essentially, you've given the power to punish and reward to those who already outnumber everyone, actually increasing their power.  I can't see a single good thing about your idea.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[NUKE]

How are those that are outnumbered punished? You mean they can't change countries?

[NUKE]

And actually, I never cared if I was outnumbered.

[NUKE]

Are people that fly at 5k punished by people that decide to fly at 10k?

Lets have an "Alt limiter" too

[Kev367th]

The responsibility to make the numbers even is not mine.

This is precisely the attitude that caused the imbalance problem in the first place.
It was our responsibility to sort it out (as in the past), it didn't happen - HT stepped in.

Typical 'someone else's problem', ' not my fault', coke bottle slopey shoulders attitude.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by NUKE
How are those that are outnumbered punished? You mean they can't change countries?

Dude, that makes no sense.  The idea of a plane limiter is balance.  You are suggesting more imbalance.  I know you understand this, so you have to be trolling now.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by CavemanJ
Yes, there are, but since 1.05 or so my ride has been the -51D.  The squadron I joined is a pony squardon, with the D being our primary ride.  Matter of fact both squadrons I have joined in my entire time playing AH are pony squadrons.. the 13th TAS and the 412th Braunco Mustangs.

If my bird is down cause of maintence (the ENY blocking bullcrap) I'll go back to bed (log off and play something else).

Now, until you start paying everyone's subscription every month, get off yer soap box and quit tryin to tell people what to fly.

Nobody is telling you what to fly.  You've got a myriad of choices on what to fly.  Can't blame us for limiting yourself.  Last time I checked, a P-51B was still a Mustang.


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[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by NUKE
Are people that fly at 5k punished by people that decide to fly at 10k?

Lets have an "Alt limiter" too

This does not compare.  Try again next time with a better analogy.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Kev367th
This is precisely the attitude that caused the imbalance problem in the first place.
It was our responsibility to sort it out (as in the past), it didn't happen - HT stepped in.

Typical 'someone else's problem', ' not my fault', coke bottle slopey shoulders attitude.

so you would be okay with an altitude limiter too? Anyone was free to move from an outnumbered country before. If they chose to stay, it's their decision.

Lets equalise the altitude of all fights too, we need to be fair.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by B17Skull12


Nik is uselessin the MA in AH2.  has not enough speed.

Hmmm...I wonder what you base that on?  First hand knowledge or just by parroting what you read on the message boards?  I somehow doubt it's from first hand knowledge...



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[NUKE]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Dude, that makes no sense.  The idea of a plane limiter is balance.  You are suggesting more imbalance.  I know you understand this, so you have to be trolling now.

-- Todd/Leviathn

I'm saying that people make a choice to stay in an outnumbered country. I have been Rook since as long as I remember.....even when Bish had huge numbers. If I wanted, I could have switched to Bish.

Everyone always had a choice....not a forced one.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
How so?  The incentive should be for the players on the unbalancing team to log off or switch sides in order to balance things.  Their reward for doing so is a complete planeset.  If you make the punishments universal, you remove all incentives for balancing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

yes Levi you are right,  I still see it working just the same as it is now if not better,  the eny thing never really has effected me much outside of when I might want to up a F4U-1C but I always have the D model......if it punished the whole arena it prob would be alot more post about not liking it,  but at least everyone will benefit from the fact that if the eny was enabled to everyone, then everyone would be on a level playing ground verses 15 P51Ds or La7s against 15 or 20  slower less performing planes ( if one would put it like that) my plane I fly most is slow at speed, slow at climbing, and is lacking ...to me that is the thrill I get flying a slower type plane ( although it is relatively thought as a late war superior type) against the thurough breds


the biggest thing about the eny limiter is say bish have the limiter enabled ok no 51ds or La7s etc for them...but where in places the fight is on ( bunch of flyers) all you see on the opposing team is these birds 10 to 15 La7s or P51ds  and they still actualy outnumber the overwhelming team in that area....

so I do not see where the eny thing is of any value for the most part........I would not be surprised if a country had not got the squads together to work out their schedule so they are always equal or the lower numbered country so they can always have their favorite ride........heck it is possible, if they can schedule a RJO then a country can schedule it to where they are for the most part the lower numbered team, in this way they can always deny for the most their opponents from having the luxury of flying certian planes....wouldn't you think?

do you not think that if every country paid the penalty for the numbers imbalance, that they would not still try and even out the numbers? I think they would but that is just an opinion......

[Kev367th]

Levi - the more I read the whines about the ENV limiter, the more I become convinced that there are some real selfish, self serving members of the AH community.
Sort of guys that turn up for an after school fight with 10 of their mates.

Be interesting if the ENV was removed - I'll bet you not ONE squad would change sides.

Can see your point TequilaChaser - but, this is not a short term fix, will take a while for its effect to fully be realized.
Also OK at moment there still remains an imbalance during certain periods, but then ENV limiter in effect levels the playing fied more.
Anyone else noticed that since the ENV limit the Sunday night Rook juggernaut is a lot more sedate?

N.B. I was not one of the people who complained about imbalance in the first place.