Author Topic: Eny comes..... I go. (Read 2342 times)

Cobra412 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:09:05 AM »

I know folks don't like to switch sides just to fly their plane. I don't necessarily like it either. One thing that bothers me is the time limit for changing. If I do switch, which we have done as a squad quite often with the eny in place, I'd like the option to switch back once the field has balanced.

Currently you cannot switch back even if the numbers go unbalanced in favor of the side you joined to fix the balancing issue. It's typical that on Sundays when we switch at approximately 6pm that by the time we are done doing our flying the numbers have flopped again. When this happens I've always been at the point where I can't change for about 160 minutes. So it means I'm now stuck with the limiter even though I made an effort to help the balance in the first place. I don't see how this is fair for me. I'm playing the game that they want me to play so why is it your punished like this?

I have grabbed other birds too and tried to fly them when the eny is in place. I don't mind it much really. I do know I need to learn more of the planes now. Hard to get use to one birds characteristics and then just switch out of the blue. Either way I'm not against flying other birds. I just find one with similiar traits to what I usually fly.

NUKE · « **Reply #46 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:14:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying

Because, obviously, the issue is balanced numbers. Numbers supercede all things. You cannot defend against overwhelming numbers. You cannot prevent being steamrolled by overwhelming numbers. They will always win once they reach a critical mass.

Skill can overcome altitude, planes, and even uneven numbers. But it cannot overcome a critical mass of enemies. The steamroll defeats everything.

Shame on you for turning this into some personal choice and liberty debate. It's like you're arguing about why you can't have twice as many players on the football field as your opponents all the while trying to equate the choice to outnumber those opponents with the choice to pass or run the ball.

-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]

All paying customers ALWAYS had the same choices.

Kev367th · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:15:14 AM »

Cobra412 - I think maybe reducing the switch time limit from the current 6 to something lower may help.
Also starting to favor the crowd who suggest making the limited planes accesible by way of perks.
Some major issues though -

1) How to prevent side switching to find CVs etc, although as this already goes on may not have a big impact.
2) Availability perk cost should be based on ENV value
ENV 5 = 200 (current cost/ENV of 262)
ENV 6 = 160
ENV 7 = 120
ENV 8 = 80
ENV 9 =40
Obviously aircraft ENV values would have to be reworked.
3) Newbs could be given a set amount of perks at start of their 2 week trial, if they stay on they get a further 'bonus' amount of perks to get them started.
4) Heres the biggie, all perks reset at start of each tour.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #48 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:15:31 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
All paying customers ALWAYS had the same choices.

They still do. You realize that, right?

-- Todd/Leviathn

NUKE · « **Reply #49 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:16:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
They still do. You realize that, right?

-- Todd/Leviathn

So you agree that ENY was not needed?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #50 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:19:45 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
So you agree that ENY was not needed?

Of course it was needed. It does not change the choices as you presented them. The people on the outnumbered team can still choose to join the outnumbering team, and vice-versa.

Of course, life will suck all the more plane-wise for those on the outnumbering team, but they have the choice to change that too. Too bad they wouldn't take it before without the disincentive, but c'est la vie.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Guppy35 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:20:50 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
All paying customers ALWAYS had the same choices.

Go back an read what Todd wrote. How are my choices the same if I'm flying for the side that is outnumbered and getting steamrolled?

Aren't you taking away my choices? The enjoyment isn't equal for me then is it? I'm not 'getting what I paid for" then am I based on your argument.

Todd seemed to make the point very clearly. I'm not sure why you don't get it?

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #52 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:22:47 AM »

Because Guppy as is usual, its NOT about everyones enjoyment of the game, it's about HIS enjoyment of the game. Sign of the times I guess.
Yes it's your $15, your choice to spend it, your choice to stay Rook, your choice to have limited planeset sometimes.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #53 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:22:48 AM »

Kev. Something else along with the eny does need to be implemented. I don't mind the whole thing to much. It is frustrating though at times. I really don't know what needs to be done completely. I do know the time limit needs to be adjusted though. I think that frustrates me the most in the end.

Kev367th · « **Reply #54 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:25:20 AM »

Yeah Cobra. I'm not sure either.
I feel sorry for HT, whatever he did he was gonna pee off some people.

NUKE · « **Reply #55 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:25:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Go back an read what Todd wrote. How are my choices the same if I'm flying for the side that is outnumbered and getting steamrolled?

Aren't you taking away my choices? The enjoyment isn't equal for me then is it? I'm not 'getting what I paid for" then am I based on your argument.

Todd seemed to make the point very clearly. I'm not sure why you don't get it?

Dan/Slack

No, you have no point. You could have chosen to change countries. YOUR choice.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #56 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:26:59 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
No, you have no point. You could have chosen to change countries. YOUR choice.

Okay, now it's obvious that you're trolling. G'night, Nuke.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Kev367th · « **Reply #57 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:27:43 AM »

Under your idea NUKE, everyone would end up on one side. Lets all switch to the high numbered country then just flying around admiring the view.
But whoa look at advantages, map resets in no time, 25 perkies every hour or so.
No vultches tho

Agreed Levi. G'nite Nuke.

NUKE · « **Reply #58 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:31:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Under your idea NUKE, everyone would end up on one side. Lets all switch to the high numbered country then just flying around admiring the view.
Agreed Levi. G'nite.

So, why hasn't that ever happened in the history of the game?

jodgi · « **Reply #59 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:48:39 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
So, why hasn't that ever happened in the history of the game?

Because we're not all like you, NUKE.