Author Topic: Girly Man?  (Read 1901 times)

Offline -MZ-

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 465
Girly Man?
« on: September 14, 2004, 08:09:09 PM »
LOS ANGELES TIMES

September 14, 2004

Gov. Signs Bill Banning .50-Calibers
 Measure outlawing the rifles comes the same day a federal assault weapons ban expires. For Schwarzenegger, it's a break with the GOP.

By Jordan Rau and Nancy Vogel, Times Staff Writers

SACRAMENTO — Highlighting a difference over gun control with President Bush and the Republican Party, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday signed legislation banning .50-caliber BMG rifles.

The contrast was underscored as the signing was announced the same day the 10-year-old federal ban on assault weapons expired.
 
Although the two bans targeted different weapons, both concerned the same intense debate over whether they were common-sense limitations on weapons no one needs to have or fruitless symbolic gestures that would not help improve public safety.

The .50-caliber weapons are typically used by game hunters and firing-range enthusiasts, who hold competitions with long-range targets. The rifles cost at least $2,500 and can exceed $7,000, according to the Fifty Caliber Shooters Assn., a Utah-based group.

In May 2003, the Los Angeles City Council banned the sale of the weapons, saying they could penetrate concrete and armor. But a statewide measure sponsored by Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) was defeated that year after lobbying by the National Rifle Assn. and gun owners.

Koretz wrote this year's measure, AB 50, which bans the sale of the rifles beginning Jan. 1. Under the bill, people who already own the rifles could register them through April 2006 after paying a $25 fee. Violators could be convicted of a misdemeanor. The bill also increases jail terms to as long as 12 years for those who use the rifles in an assault.

Gun advocates complained that there was no evidence the guns had been used to commit crimes in the state, and that backers of the bill were unfairly trying to use public concern about terrorism to outlaw specialty firearms. They said criminals would be unlikely to choose the guns, which can weigh 28 pounds or more.

The bill's signing was another legislative example of Schwarzenegger diverging from the GOP not only in Washington, but in Sacramento.

The bill passed the Assembly 45 to 32 and the Senate 21 to 14, with most Republicans voting against it.

"During the recall election, Gov. Schwarzenegger pledged that he would support the ban of .50-caliber rifles," said Terri Carbaugh, a spokeswoman for the governor. "He remains committed to keeping the public and our law enforcement officers as safe as possible, and to that extent he believes that reasonable gun control measures are necessary."

A number of bills will further test Schwarzenegger's ideological harmony with the GOP. At the end of its session last month, the Democratic-controlled Legislature passed dozens of bills along partisan lines, including ones easing the importation of prescription drugs and raising the minimum wage.

"It underscores that he is really staking out his own turf as a conservative Republican on fiscal issues but not on social issues," said Larry Gerston, a political science professor at San Jose State.

"It doesn't satisfy either extreme, but it seems to be embraced by those in the middle, and really that's been the strength of his popularity to this point."

Also Monday, Schwarzenegger signed legislation that makes it a misdemeanor for hotels or motels to raise room rates by more than 10% in the month after the state declares an emergency for earthquakes, fires or other such catastrophes. Sen. Denise Ducheny (D-San Diego) sponsored SB 1363.

Offline vorticon

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7935
Girly Man?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 08:12:57 PM »
thats the most idiotic thing ive ever heard




"Also Monday, Schwarzenegger signed legislation that makes it a misdemeanor for hotels or motels to raise room rates by more than 10% in the month after the state declares an emergency for earthquakes, fires or other such catastrophes. Sen. Denise Ducheny (D-San Diego) sponsored SB 1363."

but they can still charge room rates by the hour :lol

Offline ra

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3569
Girly Man?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 08:13:07 PM »
Yup, Arnold is all about Arnold.

How many crimes have been committed with .50s in California?

Offline VOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2313
Girly Man?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 08:23:36 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by ra
Yup, Arnold is all about Arnold.

How many crimes have been committed with .50s in California?


All of them, hence the ban. Right? Anyone? Bueller?

Offline Mini D

  • Parolee
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6897
      • Fat Drunk Bastards
Girly Man?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 08:39:37 PM »
are dems supposed to like Arnold now because he signed a bill, or are republicans supposed to hate him now?

It's refreshing to see someone make decisions he thinks are right, even if I don't agree with them.  I can't say I mind seeing someone break the 2 party system down.

The real question is: Is this contrary to what Arnold said he would do?  I believe the answer to that is "no".  He was clear on his position on the issues from the elections and seems to be sticking by his guns.  DAMN HIM!

Politics should be about stating your position and letting people vote based on it, then actually sticking to those positions after getting elected.

Offline rpm

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15661
Girly Man?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2004, 08:45:16 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
Politics should be about stating your position and letting people vote based on it, then actually sticking to those positions after getting elected.

:aok
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Stay thirsty my friends.

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Girly Man?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2004, 09:07:18 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
Politics should be about stating your position and letting people vote based on it, then actually sticking to those positions after getting elected.


Let the record show that I actually agreed with that before I disagreed with that.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline GRUNHERZ

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13413
Girly Man?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2004, 09:33:39 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
Let the record show that I actually agreed with that before I disagreed with that.


Wow Toad, you are such a complex thinker!!!  :D

Offline Blooz

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3841
Girly Man?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2004, 12:03:27 AM »
Unconstitutional.

I wish someone would challenge Californias disregard for Federal law.

You can ban the import, sale, transportation, manufacture and ammunition but you can't ban ownership of a firearm.

California gun owners. Stand up!

Your state law cannot violate Federal law!
White 9
JG11 Sonderstaffel

"You can't vote your way out of communism."

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Girly Man?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2004, 12:06:19 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
Unconstitutional.

I wish someone would challenge Californias disregard for Federal law.

You can ban the import, sale, transportation, manufacture and ammunition but you can't ban ownership of a firearm.

California gun owners. Stand up!

Your state law cannot violate Federal law!


stop crying Charlie Brown....it's  the law of the land.....enjoy it.

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
Re: Girly Man?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2004, 12:07:19 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by -MZ-
SACRAMENTO — Highlighting a difference over gun control with President Bush and the Republican Party, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday signed legislation banning .50-caliber BMG rifles.


What a surprise... Arnold doesn't quite fit the Republican mold (this just in), but he got the nod from the GOP simply because he was electable and he's good for marketing.
sand

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
Girly Man?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2004, 12:08:35 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
Unconstitutional.

I wish someone would challenge Californias disregard for Federal law.

You can ban the import, sale, transportation, manufacture and ammunition but you can't ban ownership of a firearm.

California gun owners. Stand up!

Your state law cannot violate Federal law!


Not a single gun control law has ever been struck down by the Supreme Court as un-Constitutional. Not one.
sand

Offline Drunky

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2017
Girly Man?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2004, 12:12:15 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
Unconstitutional.

I wish someone would challenge Californias disregard for Federal law.

You can ban the import, sale, transportation, manufacture and ammunition but you can't ban ownership of a firearm.

California gun owners. Stand up!

Your state law cannot violate Federal law!



what about illegal aliens.  against federal laws.  shoot them or give them driver's licenses?

destroyer of senses
Drunky | SubGenius
Fat Drunk Bastards
B.A.A.H. - Black Association of Aces High

Offline beet1e

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7848
Girly Man?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2004, 06:34:16 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by vorticon
but they can still charge room rates by the hour :lol
oldest profession? :lol

Offline fd ski

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1525
      • http://www.northotwing.com/wing/
Girly Man?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2004, 07:05:51 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by ra
Yup, Arnold is all about Arnold.

How many crimes have been committed with .50s in California?


How may crimes were commited in United States using Nuclear Weapons ? Is there a reason why i can't have one ?
Only criminals will have nuclear weapons this way !!!!
:rolleyes: