Will "Perks" stop the whining?

[Nefarious]

My 2 week free trial ended a while back and i have read nothing before of the above posts..I have some questions...

1. Do my eyes decieve me or will the game be played like this ex. The more kills you get the better your choice of airplanes become.??

2.Is thier a scheduled arrival time of all the aircraft coming within the next year???

Thats all i wanted to know because if this goes into effect I would love to buy a subscription (now that this 19 year old college kid has found a job)  

and anyway I never really thought the people in Aces High didnt really whined...If their was any in the first place this will silent it..
Its a splendid idea...WTG!



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aka Nefari...

Fighting in the air is not sport, it is scientific murder...

[Ripsnort]

Nefarious, you can read about the perks in the NEWS bulletin board, latest by Pyro.  

[StSanta]

Guys, we'll go from having squad missions where we can expect evenly matched forces to a gamey world where some fly uber planes and other don't. Sure, everyone can fly uber planes at some point, but that only adds more of gamey feeling.

The squad is what keeps me in AH. Squad mission and coordination rules.

That's what I mean with level playing field.

Dweeb hunt will only detract immersion for me.

Bah, humbug.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Karnak]

StSanta,

How do you think a German pilot in a Bf109G-6 felt as a squadron of Spitfire F.MkXIVs tore his staffel apart?

How about the feelings of the P-51D pilot watching Me262s blowing away the B-17s he is escorting while there is nothing he can do but watch?

Did the Spitfire MkVb pilots who took off to do a sweep over France and became the first Allied pilots to meet Fw190As for the first time know what they were about to be facing?

It was never about being balanced or fair or knowing what you were about to be facing.

Its about using tactics to deal with expected, unexpected and rapidly changing situations.

Sisu
-Karnak

[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 12-01-2000).]

[Wisk-=VF-101=-]

La-7 as a perk plane ???

How many Ta-152s and P-51Hs have been produced before the end of WWII ? Because I don't know for certain but I have like a 99.9999(9)% confidence that many more La-7s have been produced than those exotic planes.

Let me compare the numbers with widely available in the arena 109G10 (I assume those are with DB605AS, not DB605D engines).

So, numbers for La-7:
In June 1944 VVS received 57 La-7s, in July 108, in September 225, in October 379 etc.
Since the start of mass production till the end of the war 4359 La-7s were received by VVS (from "Aircraft Construction in the USSR" by K.Yu.Kosminkov, Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) publishing department).

Now, there have been around 2600 109G10s produced since the start of mass production (which is, BTW, October, not June!!) 1944 till the end of the war (estimate from "Bf109 F,G,K series" by Jochen Prien & Peter Rodeike, Schiffer Military History publishing).

I want the La-7, but not as a perk plane, as it's simply historically UNFAIR.

If we are to have a Soviet perk plane then it has to be, say, Yak-3M with VK-107A giving it top speed of 720km/h and armed with 2 20m B-20 cannon.

[SKurj]

My concerns...

there is no I in the word TEAM.  Perk planes may all of a sudden put emphasis on saving your own hide, and sayin ferget the team, I want a perk plane!!  PPl will be more concerned about running home, and staying alive rather than helping a teammate.

There have been several ideas posted as ways to implement the perk system.  Modifiers for the team in the most trouble, be it # of players or bases etc.  It may seem right to reward the players for their achievements, however, i'm not a fan of "the rich get richer" thing.  
It would be great to see perks implemented which score points based on team activities.  Helping a teammate, joining and completing missions etc.  Perhaps award perk points to all players that launch on a mission, and make it to the objective, with a bonus added for those that also rtb.

There are those players in the arena that will sacrifice themselves for the team, by doing such things as augering to grab a goon for a field, ditching to hurry to the aid of a base under attack, staying in the fight when they could leave just to help a teammate etc.  These guys likely don't land alot of missions but their impact is greater for the team than the runstangs..

These players will never receive any credit with a perk system that stresses save yer own hide...

AKSKurj

my thots...

[-lazs-]

I am not here to imatate the frustration that some WWII pilots felt when they were confronted with superior planes.   I am not here to imitate 6 hr flights or entire tours without ever seeing an enemy plane.  Why duplicate the worst features of WWII in a flight sim?

The perk plane idea is the most idiotic I have yet seen in a game where people log on and off at all times of the day.   There are other ways of getting new planes introduced.

And what of early war planes??? Using the idiotic perk idea you would have to make them  a "punishment plane" in order to get them in the game or.... Don't we even care about early war planes?   certainly the "perk" plan has no place for them.   AH has little enough action without making the action we have tainted by the inherant unfairness of "perk".
lazs

[MrLars]

 

Originally posted by SKurj:
My concerns...

there is no I in the word TEAM.  Perk planes may all of a sudden put emphasis on saving your own hide, and sayin ferget the team, I want a perk plane!!  PPl will be more concerned about running home, and staying alive rather than helping a teammate.

AKSKurj

my thots...

Kinda reflects my thoughts also. We'll see how it changes the MA but I, for one, will most likely never be able to fly a perk plane because of my limited flying time.
OTOH, my first choice for a target will be the perk planes just to spoil someones point mongering. That's the way I'll whine about point ho's. Hunt them and kill 'em and let THEM whine for me!

Lars

[Pongo]

Skurj
I really dont aggree that there is something anti team about the concept of perk planes.
That guy that ditches to grab a goon will loose few points and if he is successfull he will be handsomely rewarded with points, just like he is now.
Flying in a team will make you more successful, that success is rewareded with a high score like it is now, and like it was in the war. If people that you think are on your team abandon you cause they cant risk themselves, then consider your team mates cause that is nothing to do with the perk system.

Wisk.
As to the rarity of the LA7 you may be right, but the consideration is effect on the game not rarity. The Spit XIV and Me 262 were not rare, but because of their capabilitys they are being considered and guerenteed for perk status. Maybe the La7 is in the same boat(although since it is a refined la5fn it seems unlikly). The G10 in AH is the 605D powered version. It represents werk number 130282. Your Prein book will tell you that  it is powered with the DB606Dm. I think it has been established in detail that the AH g10 performs like a D engined plane as well.


I once again have to salute Pyro and HT. What an increadably elegent potential solution to several of the moves that they want to make and to several of the things people have been complaining about and or asking for. To ride the storm between the Boo birds and the Cheerleaders with such finese while still keeping their eye on the ball is probably the greatest testement to the way they have chosen to develop their game and the customer base. I dont think many teams could do it, little own develop the game.
I predict the TA will be full of people every time a perk plane is introduced......

[BBGunn]

So what's so satisfying about amassing more and more points?  Diversity of different things\asignments/goals to accomplish in the game rather than just different AC is what would attract me back.  AH has too many fighter planes already.  

[Wisk-=VF-101=-]

Actually my Prein book says that G10 was intended to be powered by 605D, but the vast majority got 605AS instead as 605D was not ready. So I thought AH chose a more common G10 with 605AS. If it's 605D modeled then it was even rarer than 2600.

109K4 received exlusively 605Ds.

Also, apparently not that many 605AS powered AC's were equipped with MW50.

That TsAGI's study gives data on captured 109s and 190s as compared to La's and Yak's. La-7 was compared to 109G10, 190D9 and 190A8.
(Actually it has a whole section named "Comparative analysis" and the detailed description of test methodology).

It has higher speed than G10 till about 6.3km
in alt and higher climbrate till about 5km alt. Turn rate at 1km - 18-19secs, for 109K - 21secs.

They also use some more complicated metrics for comparison:
full specific mechanical energy (described by a set of equations: E=H+V*V/(2*g), dV/dt=(g/V)*(nx - sin("Theta")), H- alt, V-speed, g-gravity acceleration, nx=dE/ds where s is the length of the trajectory, "Theta" is the angle of trajectory to level)

From these equations and a bunch of other data they derive "criteria of similarity" that allow to compare parameters to which the following measurements are proportional:

Max speed
Max sustained overloading
Vertical manueverability and acceleration
Energyloading
Min horizontal turn time

And they give the graphs for dependencies between these things and show the areas in the graphs that are "good".

Heck, the book is written by a bunch of doctors of sciences, so unless you have a degree in the stuff you won't understand much.

Apparently these data don't use the numbers if MW-50 is engaged, as they explicitely stated that only those methods of power augmentation have been used that can be sustained for longer than 10mins.

There are also charts for engine power at diff. alts and DB-605D has three subgraphs - one for nominal, one for military and one for MW-50 boosted mode. Go figure.