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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2004, 01:23:03 AM »
nothing wrong with the ppk (I got a little .22lr version myself).

other than my little .22s colt derringer, it's the only one thats concealable when wearing your swimsuit. :p

although I've heard rumors that Laz is known to carry while wearing less than that.

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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2004, 02:02:34 AM »
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LAZ you have a nice AirSoft collection ;)
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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2004, 07:35:33 AM »
Nice guns.

In Belgium you could have all those guns (bar the Mini-14 as it is full auto) but the waiting time to have your permit would be ~3 months for every request.  

The waiting time for a Mini-14 permit could be as long as a year, or it could be refused.

As you have a lot of guns you would have to have a safe anchored to the walls.

But to have a carry (concealed) permit you would need to have a very good reason.

I particularly like the Kimber and the snub SW with internal hammer.

One question, is your PPK a 7,65mm or a .380 ACP/9mm short?
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2004, 08:04:10 AM »
reply..whew...

medicboy..  I like the mini14  never had a problem with it.   The Walther is a very accurate gun and well made... I have several ex wives but the gun is mine.    and yes that is a real 1944 Garrand.

bustr... I use an old RCBS press...


mini d "The top 3 revolvers are .44s. The Makarov, the Kimber and what looks to be some kind of CZ round out the autos in the middle. The small revolver is the .357. The 4th looks to be an old .41 but could also be a service .357 (or .38). "

yes the top three are 44 mags..  CZ is close but there are hints as to make and caliber in the pic.   No 41, 357 or 38 except for the PD of course.

grun... the historic gun is the manly one in the upper right.

liz.. the wheelgun is not a colt or a 45  45's have fluted cylinders.

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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2004, 08:09:57 AM »
dune said..

"In no particular order the pistols are:

CZ75
Colt .38 (my dad has two of these, really nice guns)
Walther PPK
Taurus
Kimber
Dan Wesson .44
Smith & Wesson
Ruger
and I'm guessing the little one is a Tokarev.

The rifles are:
Enfield Mk3
Mini 14
Mauser
2 Model 12's
and a Garand"


allmost on... I expected as much but..  There is no CZ75 the gun is compensated which should be a hint.  

No colt 38  no colt at all.

no taurus

no tokerev

longguns are dead on except one model 97 is a clone.

nuttz  3 out of five.

sour... hey... James Bond used a PPK in .32

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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2004, 08:13:54 AM »
Nice collection Laz

Only ones I don't care for are the small caliber autos and the bone/horn handled .41/.44. I'm no fan of autos in general, only ones I own are collectors items (P08 and P38) and the 9mm Glock I bought for my wife based on its simplicity. I particularly like the SA Ruger, is it chambered for .45Colt? You should trade in the Garand and the 98K for an M21 though :D

I'm a HUGE fan of the .357 (I own three of them, 1.5 inch-5 shot hammerless, 4 inch, and 8 inch), all are full of 125gr too, seems we read the same book :D My hammerless 5-shot .357 (SP101) is not the ultralite one and it still kicks like hell. I have fired one of those ultralite .357s before...once.

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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2004, 08:32:13 AM »
edbert... the bone handled one is one of my favorites... I had it cut down to 4"  (it is a 44) the SA ruger is a '73  and it has an unfluted cylinder and dragoon trigger guard so.... not a 45

Don't know why everyone says "collection"   they are simply working guns that I got for one reason or another.. history or workmanship or utility or got a deal on..

There are no full sized 357's in the bunch  I figure anything a 357 will do a 44 will do better except.... hide.

was never a semi auto fan but the kimber walther and makarov are EXTREMELY reliable and well made and..... historic.

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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2004, 08:45:02 AM »
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There are no full sized 357's in the bunch  I figure anything a 357 will do a 44 will do better except.... hide.

Don't forget...disperse more energy into the target. The .44mag is just too heavy/fast to be able to expend the energy in light-skinned/thin-boned animals (i'm talking deer not humans :)), it tends to overpenetrate without expansion unless the target is VERY large. Thats the reason the 125gr .357 has such a good record, the 158gr .357 (most common load) does not do as well for much the same reason as the .41mag/.44mag. The .45ACP does well because it moves so much slower than the .44mag.

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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2004, 08:50:09 AM »
edbert... I think that you will find that with deer that 44 and even 50 does a much better job on deer and boar and such than the 357  the diameter is allready what the 357 aspires too and... penetration at hunting ranges is important.

humans... you can still make a better 44 round than most 357's tho the 125 hp fifty seven is still king... lighter hydrosok 44's are devestating... you can load any 44 to any level you want up or down.

stopping power in humans is about diameter, velocity and weight and composition of bullet allong with velocity... you can theoretically do anythng that a .357 does with a 44 only better... in other words. if the 125 grain 357 at 1300 fps sec is king and expands to .55... you can make a 44 125 grain bullet go 1300 fps and expand to .75 or  go 1500 fps and still expand and expend all its energy in the target.

versitile and they use large primers and are easier to reload for.

fifty seven is a great cartridge tho.

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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2004, 09:07:50 AM »
Yeah, handloading opens up entirely new options alright !

I've killed at least a dozen deer with my 57, anytime I can stalk close enough I'll sling my rifle and use the pistol. Almost all the time the 125 fails to exit, it hits a rib going in and does not really expand...it EXPLODES. All I can find of the bullet is shrapnel :D The deer around where I hunt are not small, they are TINY. The average deer killed in Gillespie and Llanno counties (Texas) are around 65 pounds dressed. I fear the 57 would prove inadequate on a large ferrel hog though, thats what the 30-06 is for :D

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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2004, 11:18:03 AM »
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grun... the historic gun is the manly one in the upper right.

lazs


Oh that is so perfect....  :)

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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2004, 11:43:51 AM »
still tho... this is a group...an ecclectic group... of guns that I enjoy for one reason or another...  they range feom high powered rifles and 44 magnum handguns to little 32 autos.... every single  one iof em is fun to own and to shoot and..

they are all quite deadly if need be or if used carelessly.... all of them have had thousands of rounds put thru them except  the little scandium one and some of the long guns.

They are all fun to show and shoot and work on and clean on my kitchen table.   I treat them all with the same respect due potentialy deadly weapons.

some are allmost 100 years old and still do well what they were intended for.  

torque (not to single him out) feels the walther is a girls gun.... I would guess that he really has never shot one... nash is in the same boat with the scandium one...

appearance... why is appearance the important thing to people who know very little about guns?   well... logic really.    If you don't know anything but how something looks and what you are told by an anti gun media that also knows little or nothing about guns.   (my guess is that the canadians here know some about guns but very little or nothing about handguns)

Most would be astounded by the muzzle blast and kick and noise from the little 357 or shocked at the accuracy at 50 yards of the little walther or .... amazed at the condition and fun of shooting a 1917 smith and wesson....

Don't know what I am trying to say here other than... it's a hobby and a tool... all guns are potentialy deadly as are cars and chainsaws.    

The more people know about guns the better.... not too long ago... most Americans could have identified allmost every gun in the group (or their older counterparts in some cases).

I don't believe that it is a gbood thing that we know less about guns and gun safety than before.    I don't think it is a good thing to teach kids to be afraid of guns but not teach em safe handling.

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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2004, 02:11:59 PM »
almost any gun is deadly in hands of well trained shooter. every gun is dangerous to everyone in area in hands of untrained person. if you took every kid at maybe age eight or nine and showed them what a bullet does to a target maybe have them shoot a watermelon through a car door say youd have kids with a bunch more respect for what a bullet downrange can do. there is always going to be stupid or plain bad kids with worthless parents which is why you make the parent responsible for the gun. their gun kills someone they go up for murder. but i think many times guns kill on accident its someone with no hands on with a gun ever they dont know how dangerous and unforgiving they are. guns will always exist in hands of civvies in america at least. make the best of the situation and make sure people are trained in their proper handling nationwide. theres no shame and no way to prevent a crazy or plain bad person from doing harm sometimes. but accidents can be prevented and when the people with the power to prevent them dont make the effort every accidental gun death leaves a little blood on their hands. you dont let kids near a pool without watching them and you make sure kids know how to swim just in case. the same care and preparation should be taken with guns.

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« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2004, 02:32:58 PM »
hmm... still no one who wants to guess what all these extremelyu common firearms are?

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« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2004, 02:41:16 PM »
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if you took every kid at maybe age eight or nine and showed them what a bullet does to a target maybe have them shoot a watermelon through a car door say you'd have kids with a bunch more respect for what a bullet downrange can do.  


this is exactly what I did with my kids (5-6 yrs old at the time).

in our case there was an old dump area not far from the house.  someone had dumped of a whole case of home canned beets (can't say I blame them).  they were the perfect example, very bright and stained everything they touched.

set a jar up on an old couch and had him watch it closely while I shot it.

then you walk the kid down range and tell him to put the jar back together just like it was before.

when he says he can't, you give him the explanation of how he owns that bullet until it comes to a stop.  how he's personally responsible for it and every thing it passes through or ends up in.   how whatever it hits will never be the same again and there is no going back and making it different after the fact, firing a gun is a permanent kinda thing and you need to make sure you really want to hit what your aiming at and there is nothing you don't want to hit in a dangerous position.

IMO this is absolutely crucial in raising a kid, if you don't own guns ask a friend who does to help you educate you're kids.

  it's the only way to fight the crap they see on TV.  when my kids were young it was 'the A-team', these guys fire full autos into crowds of people and somehow miraculously, nobody dies or bleeds, these magic bullets just knock down bad guys and apply handcuffs (and never hit a bystander).

I kept my collection small and all of the guns locked up until my youngest was old enough to be educated.  now there is no need.  they all fully understand gun safety and practice it.  the mystery is gone, there is no temptation, they know how each of the guns is loaded and fired, any questions they have are answered and they can just ask and be allowed to fire any gun I own.

I find this much more effective than the people I know who go with the locked-up and out of sight method- where they think their kids don't even know they own a gun, because they keep it safely hidden where their kids will never find it (with the porn collection and the keys to the liquor cabinet and dirt-bikes).