What is so wrong with the Perk Plane system? Its a good thing...

[Hans]

Ok, now it may ruffle you feathers a bit, but this is true:

The current main arena is a team deathmatch game with airplanes instead of BFG2000s.

Now, when First Person Shooters started having mods to them to make them into team-based games, the most popular mods were the "counterstrike" ones.  The basic premise is you get money (another name for "points") which you can use to buy bigger and better guns.

Now, these are widely hailed as the best thing ever to make the FPS games a lot of fun.

Now, take a step back and look at it.  The Perk Plane system is the same deal (sorry HT/Pyro...you didn't invent this gameplay feature).

Now, I know what your going to say to me.  "Hans, your a iL33t G4m3r D00d.  Go back and play your piddly Half-life, punk".

Hell no.  I hate FPS games.  They're laggy, they're too small, they go too fast to try to organize anything, and they often go too far away from realism.  I like hardcore simulations.  The harder the better.

However.

I do know a good gameplay feature when I see one.

• FPS deathmatch turns into FPS team play  with a goal = Everyone says its good.
• Flightsim deathmatch turns into flightsim team play with a goal = wrecks the game.

What hypocrisy is this?

Hans.

[This message has been edited by Hans (edited 12-01-2000).]

[SKurj]

One thing about the "counterstrike" type mod.  The emphasis was on keeping each other alive so u could attain your goal.  Death to you is the end, and could very well be the end for your team...
Hey!! that sounds like a scenario!! sign up for one Hans +)

AKSKurj

[-lazs-]

I am against the idiotic "perk" plane idea....people log on and off AH for an hour or two and I for one do not want to be dodging some uber plane.   I would like a fair chance.   Conversely, I do not want to get my kill flying an uber plane in the current arena because it taints the kill.   A scenario is different since the rules are all understood before hand and everyone starts about the same time with the same goal.  Even so.... Also.. A scenario that has a lopsided plane set is not fun.  Why would a lopsided MA be fun?
lazs

[jihad]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
I am against the idiotic "perk" plane idea....people log on and off AH for an hour or two and I for one do not want to be dodging some uber plane.   I would like a fair chance.   Conversely, I do not want to get my kill flying an uber plane in the current arena because it taints the kill.   A scenario is different since the rules are all understood before hand and everyone starts about the same time with the same goal.  Even so.... Also.. A scenario that has a lopsided plane set is not fun.  Why would a lopsided MA be fun?
lazs

 LOL! Whats wrong Spaz-afraid your dWeEbC wont be king of the hill anymore?  

 

[-lazs-]

jizzhead (i did pronounce it correctly?).... Yes, that is it..  I am afraid.   I don't have the courage to fly a brave plane like a P51 like you do.
lazs

[Citabria]

I fly the p-38 for better or for worse (ussually worse) and...


I fear nothing.  


what if all the other planes get better than my favorite ride?!?!

they are  

what if my ride cant out turn, out climb or outrun most planes in AH!?!?!?

it can't  


im not real concerned about whatever else HTC throws in to the mix with the perk system. it will just make flying the p38 that much more challenging.

[StSanta]

Hans

We already have teamplay here.

As described before, one sinngle uber plane can totally disrupt a squad mission. Not so now, as all planes have their weaknesses that a squad of reasonable skill can exploit.

Perk system detracts immersion adds gamey feeling (now, points are important and points matter) and encourages Best Plane I am |337 style thinking.

Dweeb hunts also detract from immersion.

If people want to live out fantasy wet dreams, we should have a RPS.

Don't get me wrong; I fly the A8. Like citabria, I think it'll make flying more challenging. But I fly for and with a squad and squad missions are what makes AH fun. This system threatens it and removes immersion.

It might encourage people to fly to live though, which is good.

It might overencourage some people, turning them into Sir Robin cowards.

Good thing we're all entitled to an opinion on this board; this is mine.



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Hans]

Ok, my thinking on this.

First off, you keep acting as if you guys are always going to be running into these perk planes all the time.  I thought the idea was they will be uncommon?  You and I haven't even tried it yet, so how do you know this?  For all you know it could take over a week solid of playing to see an enemy one.

Also, you keep saying how unfair it is that they are in a perk plane and your not.  It is fair.  The only way it would be unfair if you couldn't fly them, but they could.

Turn the Perk System sideways and look at it.  Its very similar to what is being added in World War II Online.  Rare weapons will be rare, and you will get access to them only by working your butt off.

The Perk Plane system is the MORE realistic system than the Rolling Plane Set.  In the RPS, EVERYONE can fly planes that were rare.  These are supposed to be rare, hardly ever seen weapons.  The RPS doesn't do this.

And it is the side benefits that are what sold me.

The Perk Plane system is going to help when a country is outnumber, since they will get cheaper prices on them.  This is my major gripe with AH.  I hate it when the sides are unbalanced.  I don't like the feeling of "pity" when the other sides won't finish off my last three bases, because there is only five of us playing for them.  I don't want your damn mercy, I am capable of fighting you off.  I just can't do it alone.

Also, I like having a reward for doing well.  Right now, you play, but in the end there isn't much to play for.  I'm getting bored of the mindless furballing.  Nobody wants to do anything else, because there is no reason too.  In fact it just ends up like I just mentioned.  A large force full of guilt only half heartilly fighting a small country who are pissed off because they are getting gangbanged.  Now, if those last few are taking off in perk planes, damn right I will slam the lid on their coffin!

I'm hoping the PP system adds some fire to the arena and gets things moving.

Hans.

[This message has been edited by Hans (edited 12-03-2000).]

[CavemanJ]

The biggest problem I see is that a few select pilots will have access to the perk rides virtually any time they want one.

[Vermillion]

Well, we just finished Afrika Corps last night, and I will have to go back and check the logs to be sure.

Remember all the complaints about how the Typhoon would totally disrupt the Scenario, and nothing could touch it?

I believe that it was killed the most by the lowly C.202, the slowest plane in the set, and armed only with very light MG's.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[StSanta]

Verm, in frame 1, due to being out of gas  .



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Vermillion]

In frame 1 maybe, but they tangled in just about every frame.

In last nights frame, I think we lost 3-4 C.202's and they got 2-3 Typhoons.



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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Karnak]

StSanta,
With all due respect, you've only posted stuff like:
"We get our squad together, take off and form up when VOOM here comes a perk plane and totaly disrupts the squad!"

That DOES NOT describe how perks would mess up squads.

How does the perk in that scenario mess up your squad?  By voooming?  What if I voom through your squad in a Bf109G-10?  Does that mess up your squad?

There have been no descriptions of how a single perk plane will mess up a squad.

Sisu
-Karnak

[-lazs-]

I do not argue that there is something unrealistic about a perk plane system.   If you want to model the realism of a lopsided war then they  would indeed be realistic.   Not seeing and enemy plane for a whole tour would also be "realistic".    I only argue that having several people at a time have an advantage in hardware (planes) is custom made for animosity and is a very sloppy solution for the problem of introducing late war planes.   I don't want to tangle with said perk planes and I don't want to fly em against inferior planes.

The whole thing reminds me of another sim where some administrators would go around in some form of god mode where they were invulnerable or had semi truck sized bullets.   Why not just put "health" potions in the clouds that you could fly through and pick up ammo, fuel or repairs?  

Supposedly perk planes would be rare.   How rare?   if they are very rare it will just piss people off all the more when they spoil a fight.   If they are not rare then we will have a two tiered system of have and have nots.    I can see no reason for having a perk system.
lazs

[StSanta]

Karnak

Look; if we run into a 109; we can drag it down with minimal fuss. P-51's too. It's simply a matter of forcing him to attack and then using our strong sides against his weak. It doesn't even require us losing very much altitude.

In comes a superduperuber plane with no apparent weaknesses. In order to shoot him down or indeed survive, he can force all of us down to the deck since we have no move to counter with.

Name any plane in the current planeset and my squad has a cure for it. One plane won't mess up our mission.

Introduce a plane like the Spit XIV and then one plane will force us low and with the limited fuel endurance of the LW planes, guess what happens? RTB. Thanks, that was very amusing. Meanwhile the perker rtb's, takes off again and is ready for another session.

So we go to another field. Ooops, someone has perk plane there too! How sad.

Perk idea is bad. Period.



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}