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Offline Nash

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2004, 09:02:22 PM »
I don't think you have enough guys right now to change the face of the Iraq war.

Bush wins?

Then you get enough guys; *how* you get enough guys is another subtopic to this subtopic.

Just some random bombing of Iran isn't going to do squat. Prolly make things worse.

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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2004, 09:17:52 PM »
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I don't think you have enough guys right now to change the face of the Iraq war.

Bush wins?

Then you get enough guys; *how* you get enough guys is another subtopic to this subtopic.

Just some random bombing of Iran isn't going to do squat. Prolly make things worse.


Nash my thinking wasnt a ground invasion at all.  I gotta go w/ bohdi here to say we have a TON of air assets not doing much with plenty of local airspace to fly through......would you agree w/ an airstrike against Iran's nuke capabilities if diplomatic measures failed....would you feel more comfortable with the UN going along with it?

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2004, 09:22:54 PM »
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Why not attack France, they have Nukes and clearly hostile to USA. Should take you only a day or two.


I take it you are assuming France would develop a backbone and resist that long? LOL
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2004, 09:24:36 PM »
"you tell me
over and over again my friend
You dont beleive we're on the eve of destruction"

just a thought

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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2004, 09:26:43 PM »
We would'nt have to do anything.
I think Isreal would take care of that one

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2004, 09:29:16 PM »
Originally posted by Gunslinger:

"would you agree w/ an airstrike against Iran's nuke capabilities if diplomatic measures failed....would you feel more comfortable with the UN going along with it?"

Solid (and I mean not fairy-tale) evidence of Iran having Nukes?

I could be talked into a bombing... hell yah.

Not that it would be exactly fair, if all things were considered. But I don't care so much about that. It would eliminate another wild-card.... which I'm all for.

With all apologies to Iran, there are too many other things to have to be worrying about at the moment. Timing is everything. You lose too bad so sad.

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2004, 09:32:26 PM »
gun, yes i did not only read the title but also your post.

Again i will say if you want nukes launched at us bases and irsreal then fine go ahead and use military force.  i have a feeling iran is more than willing to fire them.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2004, 09:40:35 PM »
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Again i will say if you want nukes launched at us bases and irsreal then fine go ahead and use military force.  i have a feeling iran is more than willing to fire them. [/B]


 Uhh... I hate to say this but I don't think Iran has nukes....yet
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2004, 09:43:38 PM »
note the *yet*
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2004, 09:51:41 PM »
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gun, yes i did not only read the title but also your post.

Again i will say if you want nukes launched at us bases and irsreal then fine go ahead and use military force.  i have a feeling iran is more than willing to fire them.


Well than elaborate young grass hopper.....who would be launching them?  Iran?  Sorry wrong answer....They do not as of yet have the capability to deliver said weapons....wich I fear they would use without the blink of an eye

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2004, 10:04:02 PM »
i bet you could fit a nuke into a suit case, do you agree?
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2004, 10:08:09 PM »
Iran is interesting. I just saw a Frontline episode on Iranian reformist journalists. It was very surprising. You have about half the population that are young, western leaning and reform minded (born after the revolution), and the other half that is more conservative. There is a popular reform minded president that has no power, but fairly strong support, and a religious fundamentalist council in real, but shallow control.

The thing about Iran is that there is a real reform effort underway, and both the reformists and conservatives realize that neither has the power to fully dominate the other, and both seem to want to avoid a violent revolution. There is some degree of latitude to the press, but to stay open the press knows what lines not to cross (and crossing them gets the papers shut down). But, they do push that line, and they talk openly about it, about the need to stay in print even if only as a neutered opposition voice. And it's a line that allows criticism of at least the social issues in a fairly open manner and the political issues in a subtle and careful manner.

Even the people interviewed on the street spoke fairly openly about knowing that there are lines and edited truths, seemingly without a high degree of "Stalinist" type fear. You also notice many women in senior production and management positions. You see them asking “fairly” tough questions of male conservative officials (that get red lined out in the final editing most of the time). And you see the religious official “spinning” Mohammed as the ultimate reformer and doing a slick PR redirection job -- like a US politician stealing the opposition’s platform.

So there is a good chance that Iran will work itself out eventually. The reporters interviewed noted the limitations, expressed frustrations, openly but subtly criticized the government and noted that they will continue to work for change. Similarly, they noted that they still have hope because they love their country. That was readily apparent. So, a strike might solve short-term goals, if successful, but it might very well eliminate the eventual long-term reform that would make Iran less of a threat, nuclear or otherwise. It would probably be more valuable to the current ruling council than the weapons themselves.

It was really surprising. Iran seemed, frankly, far more open and Western than, say, the Peoples Republic of China. Perhaps somewhere between the mainland and Hong Kong. More open than Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, socially and where the media is concerned. As an aside, Marlon Brando’s death, which happened while filming, was front page news.

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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2004, 10:16:57 PM »
Charon - great post.

You are exactly right. If you (we) wind up meeting an Iranian, what is perhaps the most striking is that they are very "western", and probably a hell of a lot more educated than us.

They are NOTHING like the stereotypical Middle Easterner... Yet, they are in this "Axis of Evil"?

Mkay... whatever....

In terms of solidness - they are an Israel waiting to happen.

Why are they the enemy? They had to be, because we were Iraq's friend in the war against them... after we were Iran's friend....

No no... Iran aint the boogeyman as it's being fed to you. Nothing like what you currently think.

But OH NO IRAN DEVELOPING NUKES!

Yet Pakistan and India are the bastions of trustworthiness?

These guys get nukes, none of ya bat an eye.

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2004, 10:23:36 PM »
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They are NOTHING like the stereotypical Middle Easterner...  



Hmmmm, really?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2936772.stm
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2004, 10:30:09 PM »
Yes really.

Read Charon's post again.

There is a bit of a power struggle between the old and young... the young being pro-reform.

And frankly, it's a pretty healthy fight, quite civil.

But no - you won't meet the old cleric-types who try and impose this kind of thing. They aint going to last much longer anyways...

Unless....


Unless.... they get invaded.