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Offline Nash

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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2004, 02:48:51 PM »
Stringer, go home tonight and watch the news. I bet at least once you will hear the words "The Junior Senator from Massachusetts..."

This is semantics? Maybe it's more like you didn't know how the Senate works.

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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2004, 02:53:02 PM »
Nash is right, Kerry is the Junior Senator from Mass because he has served less time than than the other current Mass Senator Kennedy...

Still Kerry is a putz who accomplihed almost nothing memorable in his 20 year Senate career..

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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2004, 02:56:32 PM »
He is the Junior Senator from Mass, but he is NOT a Junior Senator, if that makes sense.

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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2004, 02:57:53 PM »
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Ya see... He tried that. "I voted for it before I...."


So his record means nothing because we are to stupid to understand....right?

Bush's record is simple so he's fair game ...right?

The problem is I DO understand.

I understand Kerry stands for whom ever he is talking to at the time.

I understand Bush stands by what he says right or wrong .

I've said all along I'm not a Bush fan but so far Kerry and the Demos haven't shown me anything better.

This election as last I won't be voting FOR Bush but against his unworthy opponent.
I have been reborn a new man!

Notice I never said a better man.

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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2004, 03:00:54 PM »
Yeah Nash, that must be it, I don't know how my government's Senate works.

Oh man.

It is semantics.  He has 20 years in the Senate.  He's not a first term guy.  His years worth of tenure make him a Senator with more power then most other Senators.  His position as a Senator from Mass. that counted amongst it's Congressional Delegation the likes of Tip O'neill and Kennedy, give him more power than most.

Believe me, in this conversation between you and I, I am not the one who is in the lesser knowledgeable position on how my government's senate works.  

You are being obtuse again.  I like debating you Nash, but not when you like to play the semantics game.

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« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2004, 03:05:41 PM »
Hey - it was two words in a sentence among many - and a few people called me out on it, saying it wasn't true.

But it is.

Now yer saying I'm playing semantics and being obtuse because I correctly stated Kerry's title in the senate, which had scant little to do with the post itself.

Nice back-pedal.

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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2004, 03:20:49 PM »
"This election as last I won't be voting FOR Bush but against his unworthy opponent." - Mighty


"Anyone But Kerry!"

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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2004, 03:21:39 PM »
Anyone but Bush and Kerry.

Please vote Maniac into the White house.

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« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2004, 03:25:43 PM »
No Nash, you stated that as a junior senator there wasn't much impressive he could point to.

I corrected you and said that he is not a junior senator when it comes to tenure and that his long service gives him rank and power in the senate and gives him the juicer senate committee seats, like the intelligence committee, etc.

That's when you started the semantic game.

Reread your own posts, for cripes sake.

I'm not the one back peddling.

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« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2004, 03:28:03 PM »
I call memogate foul!

Seriously... do we really want to be debating this?

AFAIC - okay fine - you made your point.

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« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2004, 03:29:01 PM »
"As a junior senator"  is what you said, and why I assumed you thought he was new to the Senate.  He is not A junior Senator, he is only THE Junior Senator when you include "from Mass."

How's that for semantics.

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« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2004, 03:30:22 PM »
Good Point!

You're right, there are more pertinent things to debate.

Like boxers or briefs.....sorry, couldn't resist.

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« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2004, 03:31:16 PM »
Hows that for semantics?

How about it's not me that's the one who's doing it.

"As a junior senator" is correct in that there are junior and senior senators and he is one of the junior ones. "A junior senator".

I would use "The" if it was followed by "of Mass."

Yer reading way too much into it.

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« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2004, 03:34:17 PM »
Stringer how u end up in kansas city from boston?

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« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2004, 03:39:06 PM »
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Kerry is not only a wishy-washy flake, he is stupid to boot.

As a leader you must be consistant.  


OK Liz here we go again.
This tact doesnt hold water.

Fair and balanced :)
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