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Offline Killjoy2

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Brilliant!
« on: September 25, 2004, 01:20:58 PM »
Someone had a great idea for the ENY problem.

(wait for it)

When a country is down on bases, make their barracks and/or ord indestructable.

Example 1)  Rooks have 20 bases  Bish have  100 and Nits have 121.  Both Bish and Nits have killed troops and mostly ord at all Rook bases.  It doesn't matter how many Rooks are on or how well they work together, they can't capture a base or even resupply a base.  But if the country in the dumper has indestructable barracks and ord, they can always fight back.  

Example 2)  Rooks have 40 bases, bish=110 nits=131  Rooks have only indestructable barracks.  This still gives them an edge and they can use supplies to rebuild ord at damaged bases.

There is a historical strategic element.  As supply lines shorten and compact, it is easier for a country to supply and keep their bases and armies supplied until they reach pushover limits and die.

(Old ENY topic follows)
Last night Rooks were down to 20 bases against 220 bish-nit bases.  But since the Bish numbers were down, (nits were way up)  Rooks could not even get a Tiger to defend bases because of ENY.  This is stupid, Rooks are ganged by both countries who destroy all their resources and outnumber the Rooks and yet the Rooks can't get a full planeset?

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2004, 01:22:32 PM »
heh.
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Re: Brilliant!
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2004, 01:25:26 PM »
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 Rooks could not even get a Tiger to defend bases because of ENY.  This is stupid,  


*ahem*  The whole ENY-limiter is stupid.  

I know...disable the ENY-limiter and leave the buildings at their original settings.  :)

Bish...stop whining when you're down.
Nits...stop whining when you're down.
Rooks...stop whining when you're down.

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Re: Re: Brilliant!
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2004, 01:29:43 PM »
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Bish...stop whining when you're down.
Nits...stop whining when you're down.
Rooks...stop whining when you're down.


awesome perspective and or concept you have come up with, I like it!
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2004, 01:33:58 PM »
Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.

Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2004, 01:37:31 PM »
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.

Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."

     -DoK


That is actually a pretty good idea, I like it.

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Brilliant!
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2004, 01:46:24 PM »
That is a great idea.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2004, 02:28:47 PM »
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just have ENY apply to bases you didn't own when the map reset. So when you're flying from a "home" field you never get ENY'd - only when you're advancing via The Horde. I said that the day after ENY went in - it solves the squadron problem, it solves a lot of the taking back your own fields problem. Very easy to implement too.

Glad to see that the MA is just as crappy after another week of "balancing."

     -DoK


This still hurts the "kill, kill, kill" mentality for the land-grabbers, but I guess that's the point.

I wouldn't mind trying this idea out.  ANYTHING is better than the ENY-limiter that we have today.

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2004, 04:52:16 PM »
What I'm trying to describe is an abstraction of balancing along a "front line."

In other words, as long as the "peace time" (i.e. map reset) borders are intact, it is assumed that no side is gaining an advantage. So, the "home fields" ENY modification means everyone gets all their planes as long as they sortie from a home field.

Once you start pushing into enemy territory, you start getting hit with ENY if you have a numerical edge. HT wants to actually calculate this as a function of distance from your own HQ ... which is good too ... but I think a quicker fix is needed.

If you're pushed back and get reinforcements, you can now retake your own fields without the ENY penalty. This makes the counter-offensive one of the better situations to be in - as opposed to one of the most hopeless as it is now.

If you want to go one step further, you could add a "bases held" function on top of the perk discounting. That way, if you're pushed back to 20 fields and everyone else has 100 each, you get a nice perk discount regardless of the numbers.

Of course, once you get back to the "peace time" borders you lose all this advantage - but then the "balance" on the map has been restored. If by weight of numbers you can now push into enemy space, well, you get ENY'd and you long since lost your perk discount when you retook your bases. The closer you get to resetting the enemy (assuming you're using shear weight of numbers), the harder you get hit with ENY, and the more high-perk planes you see coming at you.

So the system as I describe it tries to settle back to the peace time borders.

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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2004, 05:03:44 PM »
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HT wants to actually calculate this as a function of distance from your own HQ ... which is good too ...  


This would make it work for CV's too...............
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2004, 05:05:43 PM »
GREAT/SUPER/ IDEA>
HOW do we get it to HAPPEN:confused:

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2004, 05:17:09 PM »
Bad Idea!  Let the war be waged...won or lost.  Let the countries even themselves.  Let the countries learn to fight together or DIE!!!

Tweak and ye shall be tweaked.

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2004, 05:23:51 PM »
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Bad Idea!  Let the war be waged...won or lost.  Let the countries even themselves.  ...


The countries aren't evening themselves save for Sunday nites seem to have been taken out of the equation. Which is probably all the whiners wanted anyway - so now a new crop of people think ENY is "bad."

Oh well ...

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2004, 05:45:36 PM »
Oh no....Trust me on this dude...I am the ORIGINAL person that Thought Eny is bad!  I was number 1.

Hitech's sick of my E-Mails...ask him!

I am thinking about starting an association that signs it's posts !Anti Eny!

You new here Dok?

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2004, 06:04:57 PM »
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You new here Dok?


Wow.