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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2004, 05:30:12 PM »
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So I can chose to fly a P-51  for a country with huge numbers if I choose? All the choices are the same?

not true. One group of whiners, refusing to change countries when outnumbered, are forcing players on a country with numbers to be have a limited plane-set.

The irony is that the whiners ( who refused to change countries) are forcing others to make the game easier FOR THEM at others expense, rather than simply change sides themselves to solve their problem

Now, if I log on and my country happens to have numbers, I cannot fly certain planes unless I switch sides to appease some idiots who cry about being outnumbered rather than deal with it or switch sides. This causes ME to change sides for THEM.


No ... true. You just need to look at it from a different perspective. Of course, you are free to choose whatever perspective appeals to you. But I'm telling you here and now:

1: You can fly your favorite uber plane.

2: You can fly with the horde.

The only thing is .... one more choice has been added.

Ya gotta pick one or the other.

"Arlo! That's not a CHOICE! That's a LIMITATION! A RESTRICTION! I pay my 15 buckeroos a month to fly anything I want on any side I want and horde if I want and ... and ... "

Perspective.

Limitation? ..... choice.

Handicap? (As someone else called it in another thread) ... challenge.

Restricting you? ...  Encouraging you to try something new. Be it switching to the underdog or flying a P-40.

*ShruG*

Things change from time to time. Some view the change itself as evil incarnate. Some adapt and improve. Some meet the challenge. Some offer suggestions to improve perceived problems.

From what I've seen, for every single player posting here complaining about the ENY limiter modification there was a player posting the same type of heated passion over the MA community's apparent inability to achieve at least a reasonable margin of balance over a significant period of time.

Hell .... we have players that quit the first week it was introduced posting here that they'll never come back to the game until it's eliminated. It doesn't matter if it get's adjusted or tweaked to them. There's a chance that it will kick in while they're playing and they won't be able to fly a Lala without switching sides. (Or, if sides are as fluid now as many claim, they may have to fly a different plane for a whole sortie.) They haven't tried it since adjustments were made .... but they sure as hell won't play the game again until the "horrible disasterous change" ... is changed back ... exactly the way it was when they were in their comfort zone.

Well good for them. But why are they still whining about it? Oh .... right .... they actually miss the game and would like to play it. Only the damned evil ENY thingie is there keeping them from playing the game and flying with their friends.

The ENY limiter is doing it.

Not they, themselves.

The ENY limiter.

Perspective.

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« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2004, 05:30:59 PM »
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as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem.


They are.

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« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2004, 05:31:49 PM »
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Come to think of it, I'm upset that there are too many Americans playing the game. I think the numbers should be equaled out between all nations.


There are no restrictions on anyone with access to the internet and a means to pay their subscription.

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« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2004, 05:41:27 PM »
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They are.


so a person can chose to fly for a country with huge numbers and still fly every plane, just like before?

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« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2004, 05:48:39 PM »
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so a person can chose to fly for a country with huge numbers and still fly every plane, just like before?


You keep stating one thing then assuming another. Over and over ... and over ... and over again.

The rules and choices ARE the same for everyone in the game. Exactly the same. Same and fair. It applies to all.

If you and your comrades form a horde .... you and your comrades will have to deal with ENY restrictions (if the arena population has tripped the ENY limitation code). If the other chaps and their comrades form a horde .... they will have to deal with ENY restrictions in exactly the same way you do.

You (and your comrades) can elect to switch sides (individually or as a group) in order to fly your favorite uber ride again.

The guys on the other side, should they be the ones currently under ENY restriction, can do the same.

There's nothing unfair about it. You're NOT being singled out and picked on. Get over that. It doesn't exist. ;)
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« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2004, 05:58:29 PM »
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The rules and choices ARE the same for everyone in the game. Exactly the same. Same and fair. It applies to all.

If you and your comrades form a horde .... you and your comrades will have to deal with ENY restrictions (if the arena population has tripped the ENY limitation code). If the other chaps and their comrades form a horde .... they will have to deal with ENY restrictions in exactly the same way you do.

You (and your comrades) can elect to switch sides (individually or as a group) in order to fly your favorite uber ride again.

The guys on the other side, should they be the ones currently under ENY restriction, can do the same.

There's nothing unfair about it. You're NOT being singled out and picked on. Get over that. It doesn't exist. ;)


Look, it's this simple. Before ENY, nobody was without equal choices. After ENY, people are left unable to fly certain planes if they happen to log into the wrong country at the wrong time.

And what if I can't change countries do to time limits? DO I have equal choice then? No I do not.

More choices existed for ALL before ENY, prove me wrong.

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« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2004, 06:22:26 PM »
Not really all that fair, Arlo.

Before ENY, if you got pushed back when your reinforcements arrived or the attackers strength waned you could retake your bases with the full plane set. Now, you have to try to retake your fields with inferior planes when you have numbers sufficient to counter-attack. The way the current ENY is implemented, once you're down you're more likely to stay down.

I cited this situation as a flaw the week ENY was implemented - so it sure ain't a whine. It will affect any country that gets behind the same way. It will also encourage gang-ups as the country in the hole makes a better, more condensed target which will always have fewer bases and either be outnumbered and/or be ENY'd.

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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2004, 06:29:32 PM »
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Not really all that fair, Arlo.

Before ENY, if you got pushed back when your reinforcements arrived or the attackers strength waned you could retake your bases with the full plane set. Now, you have to try to retake your fields with inferior planes when you have numbers sufficient to counter-attack. The way the current ENY is implemented, once you're down you're more likely to stay down.

I cited this situation as a flaw the week ENY was implemented - so it sure ain't a whine. It will affect any country that gets behind the same way. It will also encourage gang-ups as the country in the hole makes a better, more condensed target which will always have fewer bases and either be outnumbered and/or be ENY'd.

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In the context of NUKE's single repetative line: "as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem." ... it is. The system, imperfect as it may be, applies equally to everyone.

I've never said the system works perfectly. I've never said we can't live without the measure altogether. I just can't stand someone trying to argue bias when none exists. It reflects ignorance and selfishness.

Sorry to be blunt .... but that's my firm stance on that.

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« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2004, 06:34:31 PM »
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The system, imperfect as it may be, applies equally to everyone.

 


sort of like the game was before ENY, only difference now is that people get penalized if they happen to log onto the wrong country at the wrong time, in order to appease crybabies.

And the crybabies are the only one's being selfish...nobobody else was complaining, by definition.

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« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2004, 06:36:37 PM »
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In the context of NUKE's single repetative line: "as long as the rules and choices are the same for EVERYONE at ALL times, I have no problem." ... it is. The system, imperfect as it may be, applies equally to everyone.

I've never said the system works perfectly. I've never said we can't live without the measure altogether. I just can't stand someone trying to argue bias when none exists. It reflects ignorance and selfishness.

Sorry to be blunt .... but that's my firm stance on that.


The bias is in the way people in the MA play the game. It's the same kind of bias that led to the ENY system being put in. And I've seen nothing to indicate that's gotten any better.

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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2004, 06:45:59 PM »
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The bias is in the way people in the MA play the game. It's the same kind of bias that led to the ENY system being put in. And I've seen nothing to indicate that's gotten any better.

    -DoK


That's not what was being argued, though. I kept hearing "IF things were FAIR for EVERYONE" over and over as if the ENY limiter was coded just to affect one individual or group. And everytime I said it wasn't .... the response was "So I can up any plane I want to for any side I fly on just like I used to.". I'm not gonna go back and forth over such a silly stance endlessly. It certainly doesn't move me to sympathy for the player's supposed plight.

MY stance is to turn the damned thing back off. AAMOF ... get rid of every single restriction in the MA. Unperk everything. Turn off killshooter. Enable the Komet from every base. Complete and total freedom and choice, man. Let's go a month like that now.

BUT .. the reasonable side of me says tha that's an entirely selfish direction to take. And I'm honest enough with myself to believe that. :D

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« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2004, 06:56:17 PM »
Arlo, it's very simple: ENY was designed to coerce players into evening the numbers. I do not like to be coerced into doing anything for anyone.

I want to simply log in, find a fight and fly the same plane set as anyone else. I don't want to screw around with changing countries and trying to figure out where my sqaud may be flying at any given moment.

I could care less if my country has numbers or not. I never complain about BS like that. Catering to crybabies in a game makes me sick.

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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2004, 06:58:39 PM »
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Arlo, it's very simple: ENY was designed to coerce players into evening the numbers. I do not like to be coerced into doing anything for anyone.

I want to simply log in, find a fight and fly the same plane set as anyone else. I don't want to screw around with changing countries and trying to figure out where my sqaud may be flying at any given moment.

I could care less if my country has numbers or not. I never complain about BS like that. Catering to crybabies in a game makes me sick.


Gimme a break. You're all crybabies. :D

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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2004, 07:06:06 PM »
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And the crybabies are the only one's being selfish...nobobody else was complaining, by definition.


LOL.  Well, you're crying worked.  HTC has pushed up the playercount before ENY kicks in.  We had the *perfect game*, and you whiners ruined it.  Now we can't get ENY limiters until numbers are too high.  Why didn't they just leave it like it was??  IM CANCELLING MY ACCOUNT EVERYONE SUCKS blah blah etc etc.

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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2004, 07:09:24 PM »
I have never complained to HTC about anything, so I'm not one of the crybabies.

I'm just telling you how I feel about ENY, that's all.

ENY stinks, that's my opinion.