Author Topic: ENG Oil Hit (Read 965 times)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2004, 03:19:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
The wind sure "thinned out" that oil coat, eh?

I figured that photo might help you prove your point

Dan/Slack

Guppy35 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2004, 03:23:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Tails
Not very many aircraft could safely open their canopy in flight. The P-38, for example, could not roll down the side window portions in flight, due to the turbulance it would cause (that and the risk of the upper portion of the canopy going flying).

The 190's also had a problem with an open canopy causing turbulance over the tail surfaces, resulting in poor control. (I think it was the 190's anyways)

How many photos of Spits, Mustangs, Jugs, F6Fs. F4Fs etc you want to see in flight with their canopies open to prove it was done?

Dan/Slack

Kweassa · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2004, 04:55:55 AM »

Any info on altitude and speed limits for such actions?

I don't think the pilot'd be able to open the canopy and fly around at 10k ft, 250mph... maybe during slow, low-alt approaches..??

Guppy35 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2004, 01:50:23 PM »

First image that came to mind was this one of a razorback Jug over the clouds on ASR duty over the Channel.

Geoffrey Page in his book "Tales of a Guineia Pig" mentions on his last flight in his Hurricane just as they entered combat where he was burned, clearly not a slowing down time:

"By way of habit I pulled the sliding hood back and locked it in the open position. This facilitated a hurried exit"

There are other accounts too where pilot's jettisoned the canopy thinking they were going down and then ended up flying back to base without it. Johnny Godfrey and his Mustang come to mind, after he dumped the hood over Germany but managed to nurse his 51 back.

There are other photos out there too. But this was the one that stood out to me

Dan/Slack

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2004, 05:18:49 PM »

I think it instantly spreading over the windsheild as it does ALL the time is a bit much.
I understand this would give you incentive to abort your flight but more often then not you have to get yourself out of the situation your in before you can even think about heading home.
When you receive oil typically you cant just say" uh oh I better head east and go home now." To do that is is just giving someone a free shot at you.
You gotta manuver yourself into a position where you can make a break and make a run for it first.

I'd rather see a variable where sometimes yea the oil does instantly cover the windscreen. This would simulate severe damage and should be follow by a very rapid loss of oil pressure. But other times I'd rather see perhaps a few spatters at first and gradually getting worse as you fly.
How fast it goes from a few spatters to a total mess should also be varied to the extent of the sevarity fo the damage.

As it stands now you get covered weather you have a very slow leak or a fast one

If not that then I would like to see a few spatters at first and total coverage in say 2 minutes.
Then if you get hit you can say "uhoh Im screwed and I have two minutes to figger a way out of this mess before Im totally screwed"

Guppy35 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2004, 05:22:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Any info on altitude and speed limits for such actions?

I don't think the pilot'd be able to open the canopy and fly around at 10k ft, 250mph... maybe during slow, low-alt approaches..??

Just to add to the canopy open bit. I remember reading in "Wing Leader" where the pilots of 616 flew with the canopy off on their Spit VIs as that pressurized version had to have the canopy bolted on which the pilots didn't care for.

Some other images of WW2 fighters out and about with the canopy open. Clearly all from warmer climates where i think the practice was more common

Dan/Slack

mechanic · « **Reply #21 on:** September 28, 2004, 11:57:12 AM »

i totaly agree with slack, and have asked about canopys before. we really should be able to open them at low alts.

Karnak · « **Reply #22 on:** September 28, 2004, 12:51:44 PM »

Back in the old beta forum Pyro said they were aiming for a halfway point on the oil leak. Not as bad as Guppy's P-47 picture, but still a problem that the player has to deal with.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2004, 07:55:44 AM »

What squad insignia is that on the oiled jug (I love the sound of that)?

Looks like a bull with lightning bolts but I cannot tell what is on the head of the animal.

JimBear · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2004, 08:23:47 AM »

As a returnee to AH I have to ask, does EVERY engine compartment hit result in the instant oil bath on the canopy?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2004, 11:55:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert
What squad insignia is that on the oiled jug (I love the sound of that)?

Looks like a bull with lightning bolts but I cannot tell what is on the head of the animal.

347th Fighter Squadron, 350th Fighter Group, 12th Air Force, operatiing in the MTO

Dan/Slack

Tails · « **Reply #26 on:** September 29, 2004, 05:14:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
How many photos of Spits, Mustangs, Jugs, F6Fs. F4Fs etc you want to see in flight with their canopies open to prove it was done?

Dan/Slack

Wasn't saying it couldnt be done, and on some aircraft it is perfectly safe. On others, though, it reduces control by some extent due to turbulance. Not trying to start an argument, just sayin

(I really need to stop 'just sayin' things...someone's gonna end up skinnin me for it)