Complaining how or what a person flys.

[Canaris]

Agreed Rod, if everyone believed into what you said, we wouldn't have all this whining stuff about people not getter their way or whining cause they cant win, kill something, or stop from getting killed.  If everyone believed in what you said AH would be a much better game and a better community.



Canaris

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e


I think the problem is that some people have honed up their elite skills, and then find that those elite skills alone are not enough to cut it in the MA.

 

You're wrong.  It's those that  use the Timid Rainbow Warrior fighting style that can't cut it in the MA.  Otherwise, why use such timid tactics?



ack-ack

[Canaris]

Originally posted by Elfie
Thats not true Zazen. In that same situation if I had been the 51  pilot attacking the 38, my initial goal is not an immediate kill, but to push him to the deck where he cant trade altitude for speed. Once you have done that, you can burn his remaining e and score the kill.

Elfie I have to disagree with you there.  Most of the 38 pilots in here are very experience and fly only the 38.  Most of us would force the 51 to turn with the 38 because everyone knows not many 38 pilots are willing to go into a dive with a 51 because the 51 should win in a dive.  We 38 pilots would get the 51 to turn with us even if we get on the deck because the 38 can easily out turn a 51 as long if the 38 pilot knows how to move with the 38 which most inexperienced 38 pilots dont know how and think its like a 51.  The 38 thought can out turn a 51 and out stall the 38 which gives the 38 an advantage, all the 51 has is speed and high compression speeds.  But in most cases you don't see too many inexperience 38 pilots.

So actually the 38 should win against the 51.


Canaris

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Elfie
Thats not true Zazen. In that same situation if I had been the 51  pilot attacking the 38, my initial goal is not an immediate kill, but to push him to the deck where he cant trade altitude for speed. Once you have done that, you can burn his remaining e and score the kill.

Exactly but then we really can't expect an Ostie Queen to know the finer points of aerial combat.

There's this one particular Rookie pilot that is notorious for doing what you've described Elfie.  Wouldn't be surprised it was the same guy.



ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Canaris
But in most cases you don't see too many inexperience 38 pilots.



Canaris

The majority that fly the P-38 have no clue how to fly it.  It is only a small minority that use this plane as their sole or primary ride that know how to use it to the fullest.

And Elfie is correct in his analysis of the engagement.  The P-51 held all the cards and the P-38 driver would have his hands full if the P-51 driver was aggressive and kept up with his attacks.  An experienced P-38 driver might be able to get lucky with an over shoot shot but in the fight that Elfie described, the P-51 driver had the ability to dictate the fight and outcome but choose instead to give it up and flee.


ack-ack

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The majority that fly the P-38 have no clue how to fly it.  It is only a small minority that use this plane as their sole or primary ride that know how to use it to the fullest.

And Elfie is correct in his analysis of the engagement.  The P-51 held all the cards and the P-38 driver would have his hands full if the P-51 driver was aggressive and kept up with his attacks.  An experienced P-38 driver might be able to get lucky with an over shoot shot but in the fight that Elfie described, the P-51 driver had the ability to dictate the fight and outcome but choose instead to give it up and flee.


ack-ack

EXACTLY!!!!  btw Ack-Ack, ask me ingame and I will private ya that 51 pilot's name ;-)

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Canaris
Elfie I have to disagree with you there.  Most of the 38 pilots in here are very experience and fly only the 38.  Most of us would force the 51 to turn with the 38 because everyone knows not many 38 pilots are willing to go into a dive with a 51 because the 51 should win in a dive.  We 38 pilots would get the 51 to turn with us even if we get on the deck because the 38 can easily out turn a 51 as long if the 38 pilot knows how to move with the 38 which most inexperienced 38 pilots dont know how and think its like a 51.  The 38 thought can out turn a 51 and out stall the 38 which gives the 38 an advantage, all the 51 has is speed and high compression speeds.  But in most cases you don't see too many inexperience 38 pilots.

So actually the 38 should win against the 51.


Canaris

Precisely. Inexperienced 38 pilots just use them to pork n' auger and vulch...

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Exactly but then we really can't expect an Ostie Queen to know the finer points of aerial combat.

There's this one particular Rookie pilot that is notorious for doing what you've described Elfie.  Wouldn't be surprised it was the same guy.



ack-ack

AK-AK grow-up, Jeezuz Christ dude...sheesh

[Drunky]

Originally posted by rod367th
why would I want YOU to take me seriously. ?

you probably don't.

probably because I don't have pictures of men kissing for my avatar.

pervert.

[leitwolf]

This thread is worthless without names !!

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Precisely. Inexperienced 38 pilots just use them to pork n' auger and vulch...

I'm an inexperienced 38 pilot, and even though I do vulch with it when the opportunity presents itself, I dont pork and auger (intentionally heh), nor do I use it specifically for vulching. I can't be the only inexperienced 38 driver in the MA that doesnt pork n auger or use it specifically for vulching.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Elfie
I'm an inexperienced 38 pilot, and even though I do vulch with it when the opportunity presents itself, I dont pork and auger (intentionally heh), nor do I use it specifically for vulching. I can't be the only inexperienced 38 driver in the MA that doesnt pork n auger or use it specifically for vulching.

I can at least second that you aren't the only inexperience 38 driver in the MA that doesn't pork and auger or use it for vulching.  I can barely keep the thing in the air anymore

Maybe when we get that H model it will feel a bit like old "Miss Fire" from the AW days

Guess that mean's I can auger.  But then again that's a Nomad's job to auger with style

Dan/Slack

[odie202]

Wait till you get vulched by Lancaster, at ground level, flown by Filth no less, and all the while you know he's laughing his butt off at ya

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Stang
Beet, you make it sound like the furballing/dueling crowd is the entire problem with the game.  Truth is that crowd is probably the smallest of any "club" in the game.  Look at how populated the DA is, hardly ever more than 5-6 guys in it.  There are 10x as many milkrunning potatos than furballers in AH.  Which has more effect on gameplay, which frankly has sucked for a long while?

No, I didn't mean it to sound like that. But it has to be said that in AH and even in other games (Bridge is a classic example), when players become too fanatical, there's a huge tendency for them to become disappointed or frustrated when other players around them do not attain the same high standards. That could happen because the other players have less experience, or simply do not have the same level of ambition. Either way, and in whatever game that occurs, ill feeling between the players is often the result.

No, the furballing crowd is not what's wrong with the game, although in the past they did themselves become fanatical to such a degree that they wanted game changes that were designed to support their gameplay style and nobody else's. From the furball camp, I used to see whines about bombs (and calls for them to be perked), whines about maps and fields being too far apart, whines about suicide fuel porkers, whines about target hardness, whines about night & day, whines about defending HQ being “no fun”, whines about certain players being "timid", whines about jabo guys duffing all the FH at a field, whines about the pizza map - which deserve a catageory of their own... whines about HQ-radar being too "soft", and the devastating effect it has on "FUN" when the thing goes down...

...and yet would pour scorn on those who would climb above 15K to do something about it!

[Guppy35]

There is nothing 'wrong' with the game.  It is what it is.  Each whine that demands a fix to this problem or that, is in fact asking to define the players 'purpose' in the game.

I suppose some of the motivation behind ToD is to address that 'purpose'.

You like flying bombers then your job is to take those bombs to said target and deliver them on time accurately

You like air to air, then you fly fighters and sweep ahead of the bombers.

You like air defense.  Get up there and knock down those bombers.

etc etc.

But unless you mandate a mission for people in the MA, it will always have the same conflicts as people will continue to do what they like best in surroundings that may make it harder for other people to do what they like best.  

But personally I would never advocate that there be any mandate in how someone plays in the MA.

Dan/Slack