Complaining how or what a person flys.

[dragoon]

Originally posted by Elfie
After the base capture Knights were all saying WTG! to each other on vox. I said on vox....."Why are you guys slapping each other on the back for taking an undefended base? You guys act like you actually fought for this base when in fact you didnt. You guys should all be playing offline games if you dont want human competition and only want to fight computer AI."  Simply amazing how quiet the range channel got after that.

im thinking your forgetting about the players who like to play coop with other players. taking a defended base is great but having another base to launch out of regardless is worth a WTG wouldnt you agree?

[lazs2]

I don't think it is right to pick on a persons plane choice or the way they fly unless that person picks the best and safest and fastest planes in the game and then flys them timidly and then has the nerve to pretend that he has no huge unfair advantage over those who do not....

lazs

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Elfie
What you just arent getting Zazen is there were TWO planes in the entire area.....his and mine, no one showed up during or after. There was no one around to be *opportunistic*. If he flys his plane better than I fly mine he wont get into a tnb situation. Pushing a good tnb pilot to the deck can be a chore, I'll give ya that.

In this situation the 51 pilot was holding all the aces and all I had was a pair of deuces. Why not fight? Even if I do manage to get on his 6, his superior speed and superior high speed handling will allow him to get away.


IF there had been other planes in the area your reasoning would hold true but with the lack of other planes (both friendly and enemy) it fails to hold even a drop of water

There's no gaurantee there would not be someone else around by the time he forced you down to deck. Also, one thing you may not realize, the P51 may have a fast top speed but it accelerates like total crap, many much slower TnB have no problems beating P51 in a sprint. This is especially true if you are on the deck with no diving option, even then P51 can be toast pretty easily.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Elfie
I'm an inexperienced 38 pilot, and even though I do vulch with it when the opportunity presents itself, I dont pork and auger (intentionally heh), nor do I use it specifically for vulching. I can't be the only inexperienced 38 driver in the MA that doesnt pork n auger or use it specifically for vulching.

Dunno, I've shot you down several times doing just that, very recently.

[gofaster]

What about guys that fly for one side, oh, say Rooke, on a base capture drive, find the M3, then switch sides to, oh, say Bishop, and hop in a field gun so that they can score the easy kill on the M3 as it tries to race past the airfield to the town?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by gofaster
What about guys that fly for one side, oh, say Rooke, on a base capture drive, find the M3, then switch sides to, oh, say Bishop, and hop in a field gun so that they can score the easy kill on the M3 as it tries to race past the airfield to the town?

ROFL  Who does this? Friggen hilarious.

[gofaster]

Widewing reported last night that his M3 was killed by Shane in this manner.

A bit later I killed Shane's P-47 D-11 when he was down in the weeds looking for GV's.  He pulled up into me as I dove down in my 190A8, so I guess it all balances out.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by dragoon
im thinking your forgetting about the players who like to play coop with other players. taking a defended base is great but having another base to launch out of regardless is worth a WTG wouldnt you agree?

They couldnt launch from the base they just took because they wrecked it. Every single hanger was down, radar was down, and not sure about troops and ordinance.

*edit* In fact, as troops were being dropped the vh popped and at least 2 guys with ordinance bombed it into oblivion.

Let me expand a bit on why I think that situation was rediculous. With the numbers advantage the Knights had at that base, they could have taken the base intact. The base could have been fully functional, all hangers up, radar, troops, ord all up. We also could have had at least a lopsided fight for the base. Instead we had no fight for the base, and when the base was captured we couldnt even use it until the hangers came back up. People who took damage from acks cant use the rearm pads, they had to re-up at a base further back.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Dunno, I've shot you down several times doing just that, very recently.

At least one time you got me from your Ostie I was chasing a Rook plane across the base. Also I didnt say I never vulched in a 38, I said I dont use it specifically for vulching. Also, now that I can actually see gv's from the air before I have flown past them, should make a bit of a difference now

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Zazen13
There's no gaurantee there would not be someone else around by the time he forced you down to deck. Also, one thing you may not realize, the P51 may have a fast top speed but it accelerates like total crap, many much slower TnB have no problems beating P51 in a sprint. This is especially true if you are on the deck with no diving option, even then P51 can be toast pretty easily.

I have flown the 51 extensively during other Tours, so yes I am aware of its strengths and weaknesses. You can turn with a 38 for a short time, done at the proper moment it is often enough to get you the kill shot. You also have to know exactly when to disengage from the turn and extend away if you miss the shot or it doesnt materialize. Ideally you would want to stay on his low 6 during the turn where he cant see you, as he slows his turn (because he cant see you) he gives you an easy shot as you pull directly onto his 6. Thats a gamble for sure, but you have the element of surprise on your side. Also you need to make sure you dont blow to much speed in your turn in case you need to extend away.

We are also looking at this situation from hindsight, there was NO ONE ELSE to jump the fight.

You have 736 kills so far this Tour, 554 of them in an Ostie, 68 as a ship/field gunner and 114 kills in planes. I think Ack-Ack was dead on, you might want to spend more time in planes before trying to hand out advise on how to fly

554 kills in an Ostie is an impressive feat imo, I am not very good at all in an Ostie

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Zazen13
There's no gaurantee there would not be someone else around by the time he forced you down to deck. Also, one thing you may not realize, the P51 may have a fast top speed but it accelerates like total crap, many much slower TnB have no problems beating P51 in a sprint. This is especially true if you are on the deck with no diving option, even then P51 can be toast pretty easily.

One thing you don't realize is that the P-51D accelerates better than the P-38L at pretty much all altitudes.  The simple fact remains is that the P-51D had all the advantages and was in the position to dictate both the fight and the outcome which it failed to do when it gave up everything for the presumed safety of the airfield.  The P-51D driver blew it, let his timid nature dictate his fighting strategy.  But hey, I'm sure he's a really good in an Ostie.


ack-ack

[Shane]

oh man how could i miss this accusation of spying?

I merely happened to switch (back) to bish as they were pretty outnumbered by that time. and that base was where the action was. it's not like ndisles has a lot of options to choose from in terms of finding action.

I also happened to hop in a field gun as the hangars were down and base was fairly capped. i was looking for vulchers, it was pure happenstance i happened to spot the m3 going down the side of the field.

i could care less about the "war" and an accusation of "spying" is pricelss!!  especially since i don't pay attn to the ch 2 generals or strategerization - i can read the map very well thank you, and what i  look for is big red dar bars.

I'll always cherish this.  

[mrniel]

Ok so the p51 pilot choose to disengage, the fight before
he got low on alt and options, good decision. And you should
congratetulate yourself for having spoiled his attacks.

But one thing strikes me, how can one decide on his behalf
when he should stay or go. He could very well be low on fuel
or ammo, and therefore forced to RTB. Impossible for others to
know.



NB.
I myself also frequently coose to disengage if I don't like
the situation, and this will surely anger some. But If I
don¨t feel I'm going to win. I rather bug out and try to
surprise someone else. I'm not really here to please
everyone elses idear about how to fight, thats impossible.
So I coose to just fly the way I like.
Flame away, I don't really care.

[rod367th]

Originally posted by mrniel
Ok so the p51 pilot choose to disengage, the fight before
he got low on alt and options, good decision. And you should
congratetulate yourself for having spoiled his attacks.

But one thing strikes me, how can one decide on his behalf
when he should stay or go. He could very well be low on fuel
or ammo, and therefore forced to RTB. Impossible for others to
know.



NB.
I myself also frequently coose to disengage if I don't like
the situation, and this will surely anger some. But If I
don¨t feel I'm going to win. I rather bug out and try to
surprise someone else. I'm not really here to please
everyone elses idear about how to fight, thats impossible.
So I coose to just fly the way I like.
Flame away, I don't really care.

quit making sense you'll be banned from bbs if this continues.

[Shane]

Originally posted by mrniel
If Idon't feel I'm going to win. I rather bug out and try to
surprise someone else.

this is the difference between fighter "pilots" and those who think they are...

i know i'm gonna win no matter what...