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pugg666 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2004, 09:34:46 AM »

US Marines and a 37MM AT gun?

brady · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2004, 12:01:35 PM »

A)Dutch M1936 VCL tankette, This may be, Interesting...
B)Type 94 37mm Anti-Tank Gun,*
C) Johnson M1941
D)M1910 Pick Mattox
E)Looks to be a M7 sholder holster, for M1911A1 pistole
F)Canteen and above Ammo pouches for the Johnson I Beleave
G) Marine Raider's Bougainville, Two Pice camuflage utalitys and Helmet cover.
H) M1 Garand
I) Spent Shell cassings, the Type 94 was in later war years used more and more often as an infetry suport weapon and had a variety of ammo types for this role, namely HE, since it's AP value had diminished and been suplanted to a degree by the 47mm Type 1 ATG.

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*Introduced Year : 1936
Caliber : 37 mm
Barrel Length : 1.7065 m (L46.1)
EL Angle of Fire : -10 to +25 Degrees
AZ Angle of Fire : 60 Degrees
Shell Weight : 0.67 Kg
Muzzle Velocity : 700 m/sec
Penetration : 30 mm/1,000 m, 40 mm/500 m
Weight : 0.327 ton
Range : 2,870 m
Production Qty : 3,400

Interesting picture, the Johnson is the true jem of this shot.

pugg666 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2004, 12:10:10 PM »

got 2 of em at least, would have had a few more if I knew you wanted more

brady · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2004, 12:30:20 PM »

Their was just a lot going on in this picture, so i figured I would lable some of the more interesting items.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2004, 12:56:29 PM »

Err, I thought the dutch never got the Johnson. They ordered it, but were beaten before it could ever get to them.

Widewing · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2004, 09:54:28 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Err, I thought the dutch never got the Johnson. They ordered it, but were beaten before it could ever get to them.

This was a Marine weapon, they brought it with them. About 3,000 Johnsons were purchased by the Marine Corps for use by their special forces (Raiders).

My regards,

Widewing

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2004, 10:39:11 PM »

Yes, they bought them, but I'm pretty sure they were never used by the marines. They either used the 1903 or switched to the Garand when they had it.

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2004, 10:42:20 PM »

They were used by the Marines, see the one in the picture?

Rafe35 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2004, 10:52:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
This was a Marine weapon, they brought it with them. About 3,000 Johnsons were purchased by the Marine Corps for use by their special forces (Raiders).

My regards,

Widewing

Also Canadian Army use Johnsons in WWII.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2004, 10:52:21 PM »

Doesn't look like it's getting much use...

brady · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2004, 11:18:52 PM »

lol, see the guy with the "E" and the "F" on him, he has what apear to be the ammo pouchs for this weapon on him, and looks to be loading the gun, or helping crew it at any rate. The marines did use this weapon as Wide Wing noted above, also as noted above the picture is a combat shot from Bougainville, their would of been no other way for the gun to get their. I have a couple books which also list the weapon as having served with the marines.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2004, 08:34:21 AM »

And I've seen a few sources saying that it was going to happen, but never did.

Widewing · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2004, 07:15:19 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
And I've seen a few sources saying that it was going to happen, but never did.

Okay, then explain how that M1941 Johnson found its way to Bougainville in the company of a Marine Raider Regiment?

Obviously, those sources are deficient. I suggest Bruce Canfield's book on the Johnson rifle and LMG. You can find it Widewinghere.

The 1st Parachute Battalion was equipped with Johnson M1941 rifles and M1941 LMGs as well as over 550 Reising Model 50s and folding stock model 55s.

I found this:

"Recently published data of a Marine Corps comparison test of the M1 and the M1941 Johnson show that the Johnson proved to beat the Garand in range testing at 300 and 1000 yards. This information was received from the estate of General George O. Van Orden. In May of 1940 he was the Captain in charge of conducting the comparison test. Four very distinguished Marine rifleman conducted the test with two new M1 Garands and three new M1941 Johnson rifles. After two days of slow and rapid fire testing the Johnson proved to beat the Garand 81.2% to 71.3% total hits respectfully. Two of the M1's had mechanical failures, their point of impact changed midway thru the test. The Johnson's experienced no malfunctions. M1's proved to load faster than the M1941's.

Capt. Van Orden's Summary Opinion stated "The Johnson Semi-Automatic Rifle, Rotary Magazine Type, is materially superior to the U.S. Rifle, cal. 30, M1 in accuracy and potential combat efficiency"

Rifles used for this test were:
M1 Rifles - Serial Numbers 3536 and 3739

Johnson Rifles - Serial Numbers R13; R14 and R15 (all Rotary magazine models).

My regards,

Widewing

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2004, 08:17:30 PM »

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"Recently published data of a Marine Corps comparison test of the M1 and the M1941 Johnson show that the Johnson proved to beat the Garand in range testing at 300 and 1000 yards. This information was received from the estate of General George O. Van Orden. In May of 1940 he was the Captain in charge of conducting the comparison test. Four very distinguished Marine rifleman conducted the test with two new M1 Garands and three new M1941 Johnson rifles. After two days of slow and rapid fire testing the Johnson proved to beat the Garand 81.2% to 71.3% total hits respectfully. Two of the M1's had mechanical failures, their point of impact changed midway thru the test. The Johnson's experienced no malfunctions. M1's proved to load faster than the M1941's.

Now this, kind sir, is a bunch of ****.

Johnsons only had a slight edge in the accuraccy department. Everything else fell way behind. Complicated parts, tiny parts prone to any sort of dust and malfunction. Johnsons were pretty likely to fail in the battlefield.

Now, here's the kicker, the main reason why the Johnson's weren't chosen. They couldn't take a bayonet. The initial versions didn't even have a lug. When the marine corps slapped Johnson with this fact, he tried fitting a lug and bayonet onto it. But the problem is that the Johnson's barrel moves during every shot. With the extra mass, it would often not move like it should, creating breakages, misfires and FTE's.