Virtual Lawyers....working on my degree

[oboe]

Originally posted by Bodhi
If you believe in Christ's ultimate sacrifice, I guess it is wrong to "lie" in court.  

But to tell you the truth, I do not think God really cares.  So long as I try to do right when it counts.  Like when I testify at your murder trial when bGB kills you.  I would tell the truth and say it was justifiable homicide.  

I can use the $250.00 for the ticket better, and I can definitely keep the money the insurance company will charge in increased premiums for a bunch of bull watermelon tickets a highway patrol man writes.  To tell you the truth, if they spent 50% of the time they write tickets chasing real crime, this might not be such a corrupt and immoral society.

Bodhi - it is wrong to lie in court whether or not you believe in Christ or his sacrifice.  Period.

Do you remember writing this statement, from a thread of why Christianity is fake?

Originally posted by Bodhi
I feel everyone here has the power of free will. It says so in the bible. As Skernsk said, I do not spend my time in church either, but I do believe in God, and that Jesus died for us all. That is how I see it. I will not refute it, nor will I modify it to fit in with any group or individuals.

The funny thing about my faith is that it started by basically hedging my bet. I.E. Better to believe and not take the chance and be wrong. Well that only lasts so long, as I started to delve into what I was believing, I found and was pleasantly surprised that it is true.

I hope you have a chance to read you words and reflect again on your beliefs.   Right now, you are a poster boy for the "corrupt and immoral" society.    

I for one do not think ticketing a reckless driver who exceeds 90 mph on a curvy stretch of road with blind corners is a  "bullchit" ticket.   Perhaps you wouldn't think so if you had someone you cared for killed by a reckless or drunk driver.   That trooper may have saved a life (or two).

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[J_A_B]

While we're on the topic of lying in court:


You guys who are all for lying in court to save yourselves a bit of cash, none of you had any problem whatsoever with Clinton's lying under oath, right?    


J_A_B

[GreenCloud]

lolo been busy for a coupel days..


I will respond in full detail later..

but btw..JBA..why dotn you just grab a glass of STFU..wheres that poster of the WW2 gu with coffee cup?..lolo


Funny no way to avoid you clueless Dolts trying to preach in here


be bak later
Love
BiGB
xoxo

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by oboe

I hope you have a chance to read you words and reflect again on your beliefs.   Right now, you are a poster boy for the "corrupt and immoral" society.    

What I said about believing in Christ is one thing.

I do not believe in going to church, as I feel most church dogma's warp the word...  that said, I also feel that a ticket for 4 mph over the speedlimit is rediculous.  I also feel that a trooper who loses sight of a vehicle should also follow the law and not say he did not lose sight...

So, if you want me to admit it is "wrong" to lie about speeding... yeah, it is, but do I think God really cares... Naw... I don't.

[hawker238]

Originally posted by GreenCloud
lolo been busy for a coupel days..


I will respond in full detail later..

but btw..JBA..why dotn you just grab a glass of STFU..wheres that poster of the WW2 gu with coffee cup?..lolo


Funny no way to avoid you clueless Dolts trying to preach in here


be bak later
Love
BiGB
xoxo

I'm a dolt?  It must be a compliment based on your usage of the word.....


BTW, I just finished volunteering at the library to have a speeding ticket expunged from my record.  I guess I'm just contributing to the immoral injustices of our society.

[oboe]

I agree with you Bodhi, about a 4 mph speeding ticket, and also agree that troopers should follow the law.    And I can understand how a thinking person such as yourself can get discouraged by the way many churches spout twisted dogma.  
There are LOTS of churches out there though.  I hope one day you find a compatible one.

Picture a day in the future when everybody in the country is like GreenCloud, or worse.   Disdainful of authority, self-serving, dishonest and proud of it.   We'll lie to each other during every transaction, we'll break every law we can get away with and fight it deceitfully if we get caught.     Think we'll still be the greatest nation on the Earth?     Any way to avoid that future?

[Bodhi]

I agree with your assertion Oboe... very correct, but I am still gonna do all I can to get out of speeding tickets.

[DREDIOCK]

If your out of State whatever you do. Dont ever get pulled over in Barryville NY and expect to be able to get in touch with the court there.

They dont have a phone # on the ticket to get in touch with the court if you have to and it Seems nobody outside of barryville has ever heard of it. Including Lawyers who's offices are no more then 20 miles away.

Oh and dont expect the mailing address written on the ticket to make any sence either.
Mine said to mail it to the "Town of Highland in the town of Barryville"
Dunno bout any of you but I never heard of sending mail for one town to another town.

On Top of that if you do eventually get the number be prepaired to either not be able to get through orrr to get an answering machine.

Oh also they seem to be prone to closing for a week at a time. so hope you arent trying to get in touch with them during that week LOL
 Now I personally have never heard of an entire court being closed for a week at a clip. But evidently in Barryville they do that.

Anyway. Got a ticket for doing  58 in a 40.
Only problem was I was doing 50 and not 58.
50 was the speed I saw on the last speed limit sign I saw. 40 was the speed limit posted on the sign about 75  feet in front of where I was pulled over at.

Also the officer never mentioned anything about me speeding or why he pulled me over but said he was giving me a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt. Now I was wearing a seatbelt but 5 of the 10 of my other passengers werent. so I wasnt about to argue the point with him.
so he hands me the ticket and walks away and I drive away. Bout an hour later my Bro in law notices there are two tickets not one the other for speeding.
Anyway
I end up writing a couple letters. One to the court clirk and the other to the judge.
Pleading guilty to the seatbelt and guilty with my written explination on the speeding charge. figuring there was no way I was gonna win but thinking I might be able to at least minimise the damage.

End result.
Speeding ticket dismissed
 $50 fine on the seatbelt with a $55 surcharge.

Needless to say I was tickled pink
Dunno exactly what it was I said in those letters that made the difference But I can post them if anyone is interested.

[oboe]

Bodhi:

Well I can see that I'm chopping but no chips are flying so I'll just quit.   Please understand that I see your stated position, if I understand your intentions correctly, as hypocritical.    Worse, it's a blow to your personal integrity (integrity being harmony between one's beliefs and actions; acting in accord with one's beliefs).

I hope I'm not the only one in this thread who was caught speeding, admitted guilt, and paid the fine.   I was doing 55 in a 40 - just carelessness on my part, plus I crossed an intersection where the speed limit dropped from 45 to 40 without really being posted clearly (in fact the officer pulled me over before we reached the new speed limit posting).     Anyway that put me enough over the limit that the officer felt a warning wasn't sufficient.    So it was more than $100 fine, and I felt the pain of paying it too.

I was told to fight mine too, but I was wrong and I knew it so I just paid the fine and moved on-- with a resolution to watch my speed more closely in the future.

[DREDIOCK]

I know a guy who didnt bother getting his drivers licence till he was like 32 years old.

He got caught driving with no licence so many times they issued him a drivers licence.. then revoked it LOL(true story)

Anyway. He had himself a pretty decent lawyer cause he never spent a day in jail.

Get a good lawyer and he cant get you off on just about anything.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by oboe
Bodhi:

Well I can see that I'm chopping but no chips are flying so I'll just quit.   Please understand that I see your stated position, if I understand your intentions correctly, as hypocritical.    Worse, it's a blow to your personal integrity (integrity being harmony between one's beliefs and actions; acting in accord with one's beliefs).

I hope I'm not the only one in this thread who was caught speeding, admitted guilt, and paid the fine.   I was doing 55 in a 40 - just carelessness on my part, plus I crossed an intersection where the speed limit dropped from 45 to 40 without really being posted clearly (in fact the officer pulled me over before we reached the new speed limit posting).     Anyway that put me enough over the limit that the officer felt a warning wasn't sufficient.    So it was more than $100 fine, and I felt the pain of paying it too.

I was told to fight mine too, but I was wrong and I knew it so I just paid the fine and moved on-- with a resolution to watch my speed more closely in the future.

Oboe,

I agree.  I have paid tickets in the past, most recently the one I received in Vermont last New Years.  I even paid it knowing the officer put the wrong date on the ticket.  Could have esily gotten out of that one, but I knew I was wrong on that issue, and paid it.  As for the "getting out of tickets" comment, I feel a need to clarify that I will do it, if I feel that the ticket is not valid.  I deal with what I do wrong, so long as I am not being taken advantage of.  So, I am not hypocritical, just conscious of the ethics involved in citations and enforcement of said.  IE, if it is a legit ticket, then fine, but otherwise, I am going to do all I can to get out of it.

[lasersailor184]

So, it's ok to do something Illegal as long as it's barely illegal.

It's only 4 MPH over the posted speed limit right?

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
So, it's ok to do something Illegal as long as it's barely illegal.

It's only 4 MPH over the posted speed limit right?

Not the case at all...

radar guns are very rarely accurate to within 3 - 6 mph, especially on slower targets.  Add a vehicle coming at you head on at an angle and the margin gets much larger...

Just not a fan for CS tickets over a low discrepancy is all.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Bodhi

radar guns are very rarely accurate to within 3 - 6 mph, especially on slower targets.  Add a vehicle coming at you head on at an angle and the margin gets much larger...

Hmmm... doppler error as a function of speed?

How so?

As for angles... doppler is a measure of closing velocity. If the radar gun is offset, the velocity of closure will be slower than the actual speed of the vehicle.

[J_A_B]

"radar guns are very rarely accurate to within 3 - 6 mph, especially on slower targets. Add a vehicle coming at you head on at an angle and the margin gets much larger..."

Bodhi, you're wrong.  No ifs ands or buts.

Every radar unit I've used is accurate to 2 MPH or less both at 35 MPH and at 60 MPH.  Calibration is tested regularly.  Perhaps the crap old ones you buy on Ebay are less accurate; I've never used that junk.  A radar unit cannot be used for speed enforcement if it isn't accurate.  Radar units in Ohio also have to have audio.

When a target vehicle is at an angle off it's called Cosine error.  This causes the radar display to read LOWER than the vehicle is actually traveling (in other words it benefits you the motorist).  In fact about 90% of radar errors will benefit the motorist; there's only a few specific, easily avoided conditions that actually cause the readout to be artificially high.


J_A_B