Virtual Lawyers....working on my degree

[Sandman]

Exactly.

[Torque]

Seems like there will be only be one button on the elevator at the pearly gates fer you!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
So, it's ok to do something Illegal as long as it's barely illegal.

It's only 4 MPH over the posted speed limit right?

Well its only illegal if you get caught

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by J_A_B
"radar guns are very rarely accurate to within 3 - 6 mph, especially on slower targets. Add a vehicle coming at you head on at an angle and the margin gets much larger..."

Bodhi, you're wrong.  No ifs ands or buts.

Every radar unit I've used is accurate to 2 MPH or less both at 35 MPH and at 60 MPH.  Calibration is tested regularly.  Perhaps the crap old ones you buy on Ebay are less accurate; I've never used that junk.  A radar unit cannot be used for speed enforcement if it isn't accurate.  Radar units in Ohio also have to have audio.

When a target vehicle is at an angle off it's called Cosine error.  This causes the radar display to read LOWER than the vehicle is actually traveling (in other words it benefits you the motorist).  In fact about 90% of radar errors will benefit the motorist; there's only a few specific, easily avoided conditions that actually cause the readout to be artificially high.


J_A_B

I am curious inasmuch as you seem to know what your talking about.

How is it the officer that ticketed me was off by 8 MPH

As soon as I saw him driving  in the opposite direction I instintivly looked at my speed which read 50.
How is it he clocked me at 58?
My Speedometer  isnt off, I've checked.

[J_A_B]

Drediock--

Since you say your citation was dismissed (through mail, no less) it's likely that something was amiss to begin with.  

However, for the sake of discussion, here's a couple possible ways that a radar reading can be artificially high:

--The most common is simple target mis-identification.  With radar you don't pick your target, so determining the radar's target is up to the officer.   Visual observation, radar audio, and knowing which targets a radar unit will pick (range, reflectivity, etc) are the officer's tools for doing this.  It's usually simple, but every now and then it can be a bit tricky.  Be aware that an officer doesn't require a radar reading to write a citation (not in Ohio anyway), so staying close to a semi or other such radar magnet won't gaurantee safety.  

--Shadowing errors cause target readouts to be high.  However, more often than not such an error causes the target speed to be absurd, often twice the speed limit.  It is possible though for the error to be low--say 8 MPH--if the patrol car is overtaking a very slow-moving, highly reflective vehicle.  Shadowing errors are super easy to spot since the radar unit's patrol car speed reading will be lower than the patrol car's actual speed (speedometer).  Also, this only happens in moving mode.

--Batching can cause the target readout to look funny; this only happens if the patrol car is accelerating or braking hard and honestly it's practically a nonissue.  Basically you (the cop) don't trust the radar if you're flooring it or jamming on the brakes.

Overall it's much more common to get a low reading than a high one.


J_A_B

[SunTracker]

Whenever I see a cop I immediately scream "chaff! chaff!" and have my passenger throw metal items out of the window (beer cans, guns, flasks, aluminum foil, etc).

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by J_A_B
Drediock--

Since you say your citation was dismissed (through mail, no less) it's likely that something was amiss to begin with.  

However, for the sake of discussion, here's a couple possible ways that a radar reading can be artificially high:
J_A_B

Actually that kinda surprised me I figured the best I could hope for was to get it reduced to 50 in a 40 inasmuch as I did mention in the letter it was possible I somehow missed seeing a sign that read 40 but it wasnt very likely.

The Cop was traveling in the opposite direction as me.

Does the direction in which your heading effect the readout?

And how accurate is it when your moving and headed in the opposite direction of the car (in my case full sized van) your clocking?

I know there is no way I was going 58. I had just mentioned not 5 min before that you hadta watch your speed carefully in those parts cause I knew they were a bit testy when it came to the speed limits there.
Plus it was mountain roads and they roads were wet and among my pasengers included 2 very small children. so I was being extra careful.

[JBA]

Originally posted by GreenCloud
lolo been busy for a coupel days..


I will respond in full detail later..

but btw..JBA..why dotn you just grab a glass of STFU..wheres that poster of the WW2 gu with coffee cup?..lolo


Funny no way to avoid you clueless Dolts trying to preach in here

xoxo

Your a little snot nose punk who need his A** kicked, you didn't get enough from your parents when you needed it and now your a sweetheart Bag.

Slow the F*** down and drive like and adult or lose your license.

You thought everyone here was going to be

 (“like cool man, you’re like the coolest, doing like 90 man wow you’re like speed racer dude”)

Well wrong I think you an A**hat and a little menace to society and should spend a little time in lock up. May be 30 days and 3 year suspension on your license would do you some good.

[texace]

Originally posted by JBA
Your a little snot nose punk who need his A** kicked, you didn't get enough from your parents when you needed it and now your a sweetheart Bag.

Slow the F*** down and drive like and adult or lose your license.

You thought everyone here was going to be

 (“like cool man, you’re like the coolest, doing like 90 man wow you’re like speed racer dude”)

Well wrong I think you an A**hat and a little menace to society and should spend a little time in lock up. May be 30 days and 3 year suspension on your license would do you some good.

Are we equating speeding to drunk driving? I know you're an adult and quite educated, but this post came off like a high school student. Who is going  to kick his ass...you? Jeez...

GC, there are ways to beat a ticket, but at the speed you were going I doubt it will be easy to beat this one. Knowing the CHP, your clocked speed will be on the ticket. Depending on the speed limit, you could also be slapped with reckless driving. Be advised that going over 100 MPH will constitute a revoked license and a year in prison for reckless driving and public endangerment.

I doubt seriously you'll have that ticket expunged. It's not your first moving violation and I can almost bet the ranch that the judge will take that into consideration if you fight it. I also doubt that the officer will forget who you are, especially after he sees the ticket. You are probably going to waste money trying to fight it, as you'll have to incur court costs on top of the ticket. I know you want out of it but from this end I don't see an out at all.

Pay the ticket, take the points and do better next time.

[lasersailor184]

Whenever I see a cop I immediately scream "chaff! chaff!" and have my passenger throw metal items out of the window (beer cans, guns, flasks, aluminum foil, etc).

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK


Oh and dont expect the mailing address written on the ticket to make any sence either.
Mine said to mail it to the "Town of Highland in the town of Barryville"
Dunno bout any of you but I never heard of sending mail for one town to another town.
 

Dred,
  Are you sure it wasnt the Village of barryville in the town of Highland.

[JBA]

Every week here in Mass. I read about some poor family being ripped apart because some young 16-19 year old is speeding, they either kill themselves or their passengers, or some poor pedestrian or passenger in another car.

I think he posted here to show off,

“Look at me I’m and A**hat and I can go 90”

 He thought we would all be like his friends,

“Like dude man you’re the coolest, I wish I could be a sweetheart bag like you and put innocent people in danger”

I am not going to show this kid any respect or sympathy.

If  I could figure away to contact the court house in, “Highway 50 from South LAke Tahoe..Curvy 2 lane Highway”  “I coem around a corner........I guess im going somewhere in the 90's..”

I would. I think I’ll call my neighbor the judge and ask if he knows how to do it.  I would send then this little confessional.
Can’t be to many 90 plus speeders on Highway 50 south of Lake Tahoe pending court dates.

[J_A_B]

"And how accurate is it when your moving and headed in the opposite direction of the car (in my case full sized van) your clocking? "

It's plenty accurate.  Radar measures closure rates (both positive and negative closure rates) by using the change in wavelength caused by the doppler effect--so cars closing on each other in opposite lanes is basically the optimum circumstance.  

A lot of lateral separation--like a very wide median on an expressway--will cause speed readings to be a bit low but that only benefits the motorist.


Drediock, it sounds like you'e trying to figure out whether the guy had a wrong reading or just pulled "58" out of thin air.  I can't really help you make that determination.  Is it possible that he cited you for 50 and he just had a sloppy looking 0 that looked like an 8?  I know some people who actually draw 0's with a slash through them.   If your citation was dismissed without requiring so much as an appearance, then the most likely case is that it was dismissed for being filled out wrong.  In any case, to be dismissed in such a casual manner almost gaurantees that it was in some way a bad ticket; unless NY does things a lot differently than OH does.

J_A_B

[GreenCloud]

JBA..u are off your rocker...you just get divorced?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by J_A_B

Drediock, it sounds like you'e trying to figure out whether the guy had a wrong reading or just pulled "58" out of thin air.  I can't really help you make that determination.  Is it possible that he cited you for 50 and he just had a sloppy looking 0 that looked like an 8?  I know some people who actually draw 0's with a slash through them.   If your citation was dismissed without requiring so much as an appearance, then the most likely case is that it was dismissed for being filled out wrong.  In any case, to be dismissed in such a casual manner almost gaurantees that it was in some way a bad ticket; unless NY does things a lot differently than OH does.

J_A_B

Well yea, Im wondering how he got 58 from 50.
No it sure looked like a 58 to me. didnt leave any question in my mind.

The only thing I can think of and correct me if Im wrong is that I mentioned the fact that he never once told me why I was being pulled over. and never told me I was being given a speeding ticket.
He told me I was getting a ticket for the seatbelt and what I could do to either plea guilty or fight it. then handed me the ticket/s and walked away.
I mentioned this in the letter which I attached to my plea and suggested that this could be confirmed if the officer voice recorded our exchange and he listened to the recording.

I seem to remember hearing someplace that an officer has to tell you why you are being pulled over and specifically what you are being ticketed for.

Now whether it was this. the ticket was screwed up in some way, or the Judge was impressed with my letter and/or my driving record,was in a good mood and didnt feel like helping to subsidize the insurance industry for the next several years by hitting me with the points I dont know.
And I aint complaining.
But it sure makes me curious LOL

In the end for them it even works out better.
I've always loved camping and fishing up there and have dropped some consideable coin into their local economy ove the years.
I know it sounds weird but..
Its always been almost a magical place for me, and so different from what Im used to. I've always referrd to the area as "My church"  its almost a religious experiance for me.
when I got the tickets it was almost like the magic was suddenly stolen from it.
And I probably wasnt going to go back there because it no longer held that special meaning
then when I found out the charges were  dismissed it was like the magic came back.
Kinda hard to explain